tension where the internationalists are kind of vying for the president s ear? i would use the world realist. laura: okay, fine. you will use your terminology i will use mine. the president s speech which we clawed. i was one of the first to laud one of his foreign policy speech had the makings of a jim baker realist world. i don t necessarily look at him as a nationalist. i mean, he is in afghanistan doing what he is doing and committed to not something that is divine by time and so he is a mix. he is more of a realist. i do think it s good to have countering voices. laura: and the president does as well. he actually likes hearing the debate. he talked about that a great deal in the gary cohn when he left. so, look, i think that as long as whoever is working with him, regardless of what their point of view is, is giving him the full collage of opportunities to think about things, then i think
is it better to have that tension where the internationalists are kind of vying for the president s ear? i would use the world realist. laura: okay, fine. you will use your terminology i will use mine. the president s speech which we clawed. i was one of the first to laud one of his foreign policy speech had the makings of a jim baker realist world. i don t necessarily look at him as a nationalist. i mean, he is in afghanistan doing what he is doing and committed to not something that is divine by time and so he is a mix. he is more of a realist. i do think it s good to have countering voices. laura: and the president does as well. he actually likes hearing the debate. he talked about that a great deal in the gary cohn when he left. so, look, i think that as long as whoever is working with him, regardless of what their point of view is, is giving him the full collage of opportunities to think about things, then i think
shulkin might be out replaced by rick perry. thoughts on that? i think rick will be good at anything he does. he has been a good governor, obviously. look, this is as i was telling you earlier, the reporters in the hallway have almost become this is just sort of normal and changes are occurring. and, you know, the president needs someone as secretary of state that he has a lot of faith in. and, again, i thought rex did a very good job. he has a great relationship with mattis, which is very unusual. and the two of them always go in on the same page. and i don t know pompeo very well. but i do hear very good things about him and look forward. he s going to be in the office later this week. i look forward to a good confirmation. laura: the thought is the internationalists, the interventionists in the republican party are kind of on the down slide and the more nationalists populist wing is on the ascendancy because, of course, pompeo is more in line with trump. tillerson is more, i thi
replaced by rick perry. thoughts on that? i think rick will be good at anything he does. he has been a good governor, obviously. look, this is as i was telling you earlier, the reporters in the hallway have almost become this is just sort of normal and changes are occurring. and, you know, the president needs someone as secretary of state that he has a lot of faith in. and, again, i thought rex did a very good job. he has a great relationship with mattis, which is very unusual. and the two of them always go in on the same page. and i don t know pompeo very well. but i do hear very good things about him and look forward. he s going to be in the office later this week. i look forward to a good confirmation. laura: the thought is the internationalists, the interventionists in the republican party are kind of on the down slide and the more nationalists populist wing is on the ascendancy because, of course, pompeo is more in line with trump. tillerson is more, i think more in line with
instincttually trump is bannon. absolutely. i don t think it s correct to deposit donald trump is this good naturered fellow and he s been led to the dark side by steve bannon. the reason why the bannon-trump partnership worked in the first place is they were largely simp pat co. they re both at the core i think essentially white nationalists and who have this xenophobic and i think largely racist agenda they re pursuing. bannon is somewhat more consist in pursuing that. i think he s a more systematic thinker. for trump it s mainly about trump himself rather than ideology. but to the extent trump does have an ideology, i think it s safe to say it s bannonism. but at the same time he can also pea led in other directions. and you saw that for example with the early release of the national security strategy this week, which was in many ways kind of a conventional internationalists document, even