is it better to have that tension where the internationalists are kind of vying for the president's ear? >> i would use the world realist. >> laura: okay, fine. you will use your terminology i will use mine. >> the president's speech which we clawed. i was one of the first to laud one of his foreign policy speech had the makings of a jim baker realist world. i don't necessarily look at him as a nationalist. i mean, he is in afghanistan doing what he is doing and committed to not something that is divine by time and so he is a mix. he is more of a realist. i do think it's good to have countering voices. >> laura: and the president does as well. >> he actually likes hearing the debate. he talked about that a great deal in the gary cohn when he left. so, look, i think that as long as whoever is working with him, regardless of what their point of view is, is giving him the full collage of opportunities to think about things, then i think
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