happening almost for sure is they re getting intelligence support. and when i mean by that is the chinese intelligence services security services were almost for certain providing information to help the russians in terms of their campaign inside ukraine, but also in dealing with the united states and the eu. even though as you said, they re trying to distance themselves from the atrocities happening in ukraine, their number one priority still is to keep u.s. busy, to knock the u.s. off of the leadership role of the world. and so, in that, they re still aligned with the russians and with putin. so, let s talk about the hypothetical, if china is involved and does, you know, do something that could potentially draw sanctions from the west, do we really have economic leverage over china? i mean, we often think of china as an economic superpower, and that we are more one ruble to china than china is to us. how would you assess to that reading? i mean, there is a lot of
former director for a counterintelligence at the international security council, from 2014 to 2017. he actually let the fbi s beating office, and before that, he was deputy head of the bureau moscow office. it s great to have you with us. thanks so much for joining us. only get your thoughts on what we know about this conversation on friday between president biden and president xi? thanks for having me. we don t know a lot of details, but i think based on the intel that was released by the biden administration, i think we can expect that there was a very long conversation about the consequences and, i imagine that will be talking about quickly instances that the u.s. is still on a pretty good to position to levy against china, if they were provide any kind of weapons or assistance to russia. i think it s a little murky or if they are on weapons support, other types of supplies or anything of that sort. but what i think is probably happening almost for sure is they re getting intellig
the weapons that will actually help us gain strategic advantage in this war. the whole world did see the ukrainian army is extremely capable of fighting back. but we cannot fight without the proper weapons. and we did get lots of support in terms of weapons from the west. but the grenade launchers, some intelligence support. but we need armored vehicles. we need artillery. we need the long-range weapon to hit russian artillery. that would actually help us save people in mariupol. we need the fighter jets. i m sorry we are bringing this up again, but as long as we don t have the fighter jets, all the nice words about protecting democracy are just that, are just the words, because putin will continue to bombard us while we are hearing my speeches about protection of democracy. so i m sorry, but if we are not getting that, what are we getting then? the words of support, thank you so much, but they re not really saving lives. ina, i m going to move forward with the conversation. let me s
don t want to give putin what he wants which is essentially western engagement in the war. and so we simply honestly can t know right now. the nato and the united states continue to arm the ukrainians in the ways they know best. there s obviously intelligence support. we certainly know that. it s helping the ukrainians fight. but we don t the challenge for the west is simply not responding to what putin wants, which is we see, unfortunately, these human rights abuses and then we get engagement that we cannot get out of without a full-fledged war. it s horrible. i m not excusing it. it s just day it s essentially we re a couple hours from these discoveries and for us to wholesale change our agenda seems premature. the kremlin says that, you know, a meeting between putin and zelenskyy is theoretically possible, but only after, and i m quoting now, a prepared a
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