former director for a counterintelligence at the international security council, from 2014 to 2017. he actually let the fbi's beating office, and before that, he was deputy head of the bureau moscow office. it's great to have you with us. thanks so much for joining us. only get your thoughts on what we know about this conversation on friday between president biden and president xi? >> thanks for having me. we don't know a lot of details, but i think based on the intel that was released by the biden administration, i think we can expect that there was a very long conversation about the consequences and, i imagine that will be talking about quickly instances that the u.s. is still on a pretty good to position to levy against china, if they were provide any kind of weapons or assistance to russia. i think it's a little murky or if they are on weapons support, other types of supplies or anything of that sort. but what i think is probably happening almost for sure is they're getting intelligence support. and when i mean by that is the chinese intelligence services