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Transcripts for CNN Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield 20141209 17:49:15

Transcripts for CNN Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield 20141209 17:49:15
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Transcripts for CNN Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield 20141209 17:32:00

think their captors will believe it. i know they will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering. most of all, i know the use of torture compromises that which most distinguishes us from our enemies. our belief that all people, even captured enemies, possess basic human rights which are protected by interventions the united states not only joined but, for the most part, offered. i know, too, that bad things happen in war and i know people can feel obliged for good things that they would normally object to and recoil from. i understand the reasons to resort to the methods and i know that those who approve them and

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Transcripts for CNN Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield 20141209 17:37:00

need reliable intelligence. torture produces more misleading information than actionable intelligence. now, what the advocates of harsh and cruel interrogation have never established is that we couldn t have gathered as more or reliable intelligence by using human methods. the most important lead we got in the search for bin laden came from using conventional interrogation methods. i think it s an insult to say we can t win the war without these such methods. yes we can and we will. but in the end, torture s failure to serve its intended purpose isn t the main reason to oppose its use. i have often said and will always maintain that this question isn t about our enemies.

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Transcripts for CNN Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield 20141209 17:31:00

i thank the committee for the valuable public service. i have long believed some of these practices have amounted to torture and especially but not only the practice of waterboarding, which is a mock execution and an exquisite form of torture. its use was shameful and unnecessary and, contrary to assertions made by some of it is defenders and as the committee report makes clear, it produced little useful intelligence to help us track down the perpetrators of 9/11 or prevent new attacks and atrocities. i know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence. i know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information if they

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Transcripts for CNN Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield 20141209 17:36:00

need an excuse for that. that has been their life s calling for a while now. what might come as a surprise, not just to our enemies but to many americans, is how little these practices did to aid our efforts to bring 9/11 culprits to justice and to find and prevent terrorist attacks today and tomorrow. that could be a real surprise since it contradicts the many assurances provided by intelligence officials on the record and in private that enhanced interrogation techniques were indispensable in the war against terrorism. and i suspect the objection of those same objections to the release of this report is focused on that disclosure, torture s ineffectiveness because we gave up much in the expectation that torture would make us safer. too much. obviously we need intelligence to defeat our enemies but we

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