and i think they even are telling you that they re laying the groundwork. we don t know exactly where they re going with eivanka, but obviously they already had her saying they believed what bill barr told her, and they know it s under trump s skin, and i think there s part of this that you can see they re going after him with absolutely guns blazing. there s no question about that now. they re even going after about gifting his supporters with money. part of it is i think strategy to get under trump s skin. one place to watch the hearing today where people could not watch it last week was on fox news. they aired the hearings live. yes. some of the commentary, though, the analysis afterward and during the intermission, the break, was not much new here. what do you make of fox airing it? well, i think they re trying to still dismiss it, but it s getting harder, and i think they recognize it s getting harder because, you know, they put it on now today. their viewers are going to
for the president s big lie, but the money itself, what do you hear there? well, i think that what i kept seeing or feeling when i was watching today was just manipulation. you know, donald trump manipulated so many voters into thinking the election was stolen, that people stormed the capitol, and people died, but talking financially they absolutely are using people and using selection fraud, right, they may use all of this money off an election defense fund, when in reality, as the committee showed today, they were paying people for trump lined pacs and then also an event strategies company that made $5 million. now, hearing that kimberly made $60,000 on that one event didn t surprise me. it did disgust me. they are fundraising to line the pockets of trump loyalists and the trump family. i received three fundraising e-mails from trump asking for small amounts of money to keep
myths. a warning, some of this language you re going to hear now is offensive. fake election, they think they re going to. [ bleep ] cheat us out of our vote with biden in office, it ain t going to happen today. whatever happens, we re not laying down again. i m from pennsylvania, it didn t work. it worked. we voted. trust the system. no, 200,000 people that weren t even registered voted. 430,000 votes weren t from president trump s tally. you can t say it worked. i don t want to say that what we re doing is right. but if the election is being stolen, what is it going to take. cnn chief congressional correspondent manu raju is with me now. you spoke with committee members after the hearing about whether there s a criminal case against the former president. of course the doj, one of the
this, and it s all trump s people talking this way. it s not democrats, it s not the hard left going after him. it s his own people, and it s very hard for them to deflect that. and they may say, oh, this has been out there. it s been out there, but it hasn t been out there on their air. they haven t been covering it. they aren t the ones who have been out there saying trump was lying about every aspect of this being a fraud, and now the audience is hearing that, and i think that could have some impact where people have been saying there s not going to be any minds changed, well, you have to sit there and say, gee, i have to believe that even his own supporters didn t believe him, you know, maybe that does open up some eyes. what we saw there, chris stirewalt, who s fox news former digital political editor who called arizona that night. the president has tried to vilify that man. you think he can be effective with the fox news audience? well, look, this is a guy who was employed by
we have understandably been covering this insurrection hearing and new evidence for much of the hour. now we turn to the other big story that s actually quite significant, and i m going to start it off like this. i m going to ask you a question. what if it turn out much of what people say about gun control is just wrong? gun advocates insist the current rate of mass shootings deadlier here than anywhere else is inevitable and it s wrong to respond to shootings with proposals. pundits say there are just not votes right now to overcome republican obstruction in the senate, so it s futile to pond to shootings by talking about reform. some liken it to a waste of time and dismiss grassroots activists as naive. they don t know how this work. and after many recent shootings, including the buffalo rampage,