loose and there s an emergency, as adult americans we need to act. and sometimes you have to take personal risk to defend other people s lives. look, i m a soldier. i swore to defend the american people and the constitution and even when i retired my oath didn t expire. but i m obligated not just because i took an oath but because i m an american and i look out for my brothers and sisters and fellow americans. i have to act. maybe i have to take a risk. maybe i get killed. so what? kurt, look we ve got to defend ourselves and our brothers and consists. kurt, if you re in the room with me and the guy pulls out a gun, you have every right to rush. i hope you get the short straw and do it. i m not saying you shouldn t do it. i m not saying it s wrong to do it. i m saying it s not your obligation to do it. you re telling me if there s a roomful of people, everybody has to go on a kamikaze mission and
rush the shooter? is that the right conversation to have after a mass shooting? why not talk about gun control and getting guns out of people s hands so we re not stuck in the paradox deciding whether or not to die on the ground or bum-rushing a shooter? it s better to die on your feet than live on your knees, marc. i have no doubt that better to die at 100 years old at an elderly center. no, no, no. sometimes it s not fair. sometimes it s not right, marc. sometimes you have to act. and sometimes you re going to draw the short straw. and i think as americans we ve forgotten that the world is a very tough and savage place. i ve seen what happens when armed people take on unarmed people and kill them. and i m not going to let that happen here. and if i have to give up my life, then i m going to give up my life. kurt, ki ask you a question. i don t want to die. i have a lot to live for.
so do you. but dammit, we can t give up in the face of terror. we never will. we never can. right. dr. carson is absolutely right. the way to not give up in the way of terror is to take guns out of the hands of terrorists. in this case, this was a domestic terrorist we could have disarmed perhaps through sensible legislation. i m not speaking just about this situation. this is not a question about when we should attack the shooter. i m talking about getting rid of the guns so we don t have a shooter. kurt, what do you think about that? americans have the right do you think we should have more dialogue about what marc points out, the fact that these guns are falling into the wrong hands? look, americans have the right to keep and bear arms. this idiot bought his guns legally. this idiot had a right to have guns until he decided to commit a crime. you re proving the point. the point is americans are not going to be disarmed, give up their rights to protect themselves
initially, we heard from the coast guard about the conditions that these people would have been thrown into as the ship sank. frankly, it was very painful. certainly you have to imagine for the families to lip to that because the coast guard was explaining that these are people that would have been abandoning ship, a cargo ship, sinking in the middle of a category 4 hurricane. so waves were crashing more than 50 feet high, wind speeds more than 140 miles per hour. these are the same conditions that made the initial days of searching so difficult. it was nearly impossible to get the search teams to the area where they believed that the ship sank. so once the weather started to clear on sunday, that s when you had the crews going in and beginning to find debris. they found one body. they certainly hoped to find survivors. we ve been learning about the stories of some of these people on board, 28 americans, 5 polish nationals, a woman on board who had e-mailed her mother saying, we re hea
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