in from the deep state also with secondhand info. the new york times reporting saturday the second official is a member of the intelligence community and has more direct information on trump s ukraine dealings. joining me now to discuss this is tom mueller, author of crisis of conscience. whistle-blowering in an age of fraud. thank you, jo. the second person does come forward, do you think that this was propelled specifically by the first whistle-blower here? very definitely. many of the stories i tell in my book, an initial person stepping forward gives permission to others to say yeah, i saw that same conduct. often, we see a group of people watching the same event unfold. many of them know, this is wrong. only one is willing to take the risk. once they do that, there are two camps, one that attacked them, retaliating against them and another that joins them and says
room with trump. however, i m not good with an unelected shadow government pulling strings in the background. that s fundamentally wrong. this is cia whistle-blower, because they didn t out the op-ed writer. but they did partially out this whistle-blower. we had a conversation about the press about what they should be doing with the whistle-blower identity. this person followed the rules all the way along. acting director maguire followed the law every step of the way and come forward with serious allegations carefully documented that nine-page disclosure is a work of art in terms of creating a roadmap for prosecutors, for investigators to follow, to really determine whether there s been wrongdoing here, who are the witness toss it, where the documents are. this is a completely different animal. they re willing to testify before congress.
this anonymous person telling us the deep state has got your back, that for me is very dangerous and a bad precedent for our democracy. this whistle-blower coming forward and saying we need to fix this, that s democracy in action. this is a patriot. that s the difference. tom mueller, author of the new book crisis of con sense, whistle-blowing in an age of fraud. thank you, jo. tonight ari melber is hosting trump and ukraine, impeachment crisis. a special live hour looking into the impeachment inquiry and where it s headed. be sure to tune in for that. british authorities want to question a u.s. diplomat s wife after a deadly hit skip incident. the u.s. won t let them. why? that s coming up next.
possibility that trump will be removed from office by losing the election. time is running out, and the drum beat of impeachment in nancy pelosi s divided caucus is getting louder. so, what will the democrats do? joining me now is democratic congresswoman sheila jackson lee, a member of the house judiciary committee and the woman in whose district that debate took place this week, this past week. and congresswoman, first of all, are you surprised that impeachment didn t come up at that debate? well, i was somewhat surprised. obviously, the candidates have to answer the questions that the various questioners present to them, and their time is short, but it was sort of surprising. but i think the issue is not that there are no supporters of impeachment in those that are running for president, it s a given that the house judiciary committee is doing its tasks, doing its job and has been doing so now for going on almost a year, and now we will continue to do that as we proceed even
five years from now, he has a wife and three kids. he was he was resettled in this country in true name. under his real name and his real name as gotten out there in some reports and just to be perfectly clear, this particular informant was highly placed, had access to the kremlin. was instrumental in the cia s most explosive conclusion about rush s interference campaign that vladimir putin ordered the attack on the election to help donald trump. that is a huge ringing bell in my head that this guy helped our guys, our good guys figure out that the kremlin was helping trump and now he s here under u.s. protection. should is that a worry to you? you know, when these foreign sources are reporting intelligence to us and this intelligence was absolute gold. when they re providing us with that information, we are promising them from the beginning from day one protection. we will protect them as a source