this is only expected to take fewer than 30 minutes. some people have said as he was 15 minutes, this arraignment. the indictment charges. we will get to see more information about those 34 or so charges against former president trump. that indictment has been sealed since last week when it was announced. even though there s been a grand jury leak and you have heard andy mccarthy and i go back and forth about that today about the fact that yeah, rules being broken, they are going to roll like that. this is politics, andy. that s what you said. but nonetheless we will get to learn for ourselves what exactly is in that indictment. there was one point, and looking at how busy new york city is and how many people are here and how few of them vote the way that the president s party votes, he had asked on his own platform, truth social earlier, couple of hours ago, it s very unfair venue with some areas devoted 1%
much scandal for her. she s not going to support him anymore, but i should say. we also spoke with a die hard trump supporter . listen, what both of these republicans had to say. after this indictment charges. do you feel like you could support him? you know in 2024. why not? because i think he s a fraud. i don t want somebody that s honest being possible. but i like biden does president trump being charged today. does that change your perspective going into 2024? why not? he still. still has the same values views as he did so. i still support that. now again, so this is the problem, right? the diehards. for the moment they re staying true to former president trump. but it s the folks like judy, where more scandals just continue to erode that trust and erode that otherwise republican sport that was there in the past that is fading with each of
where there were lots of different faults. financial statements, insurance fraud. bank fraud. so what i m looking for when this indictment comes out is to see exactly what the scope of this indictment charges . john you broke this story. the news that it s bigger than people had expected. 30 more than 30 different counts. do we have any insight into what some of those might be falsification of business records? but i wouldn t read too much or too little into you know the more than 30 counts because you know if i stole your a t m card? that would be a grand larceny, but they would charge me with one count of grand larceny for every time i used it, even though that s a single theft. um in this case, they ve looked at every document that was filed every, uh, everything that was written or sent, you know, or submitted in the course of making this payment or these payments that was proposed as for some purpose other than its true purpose, so that s where
we know that the stand the daniels hush payments are part of this. the stormy daniels payments, but we don t know if there s more to it if there s more to it about falsification of records in the trump organization, particularly in light of the fact that the state attorney general brought a case where there were lots of different faults. financial statements, insurance fraud. bank fraud. so what i m looking for when this indictment comes out is to see exactly what the scope of this indictment charges . john you broke this story. the news that it s bigger than people had expected. 30 more than 30 different counts. do we have any insight into what some of those might be falsification of business records? but i wouldn t read too much or too little into you know the more than 30 counts because you know if i stole your a t m card? that would be a grand larceny, but they would charge me with one count of grand larceny for every time i used it, even though that s a single theft. um in
joining us to help us try to answer them, new york times reporter ken vogel. and frank, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence now an msnbc national security analyst. ken, take me through what you guys are reporting. well, you hit on some of the shy lights. questions about when this activity started and what type of damage may have been incurred by the bureau are at the crux of this. indictment charges crimes starting in 2017. there is a big difference between what the justice department can charge, prosecutors believe is a strong case, and what the activity may have been and the damage it may have done to the bureau which could have started far earlier. the 2017 activity relates to some work that he did with these albanian officials, including the prime minister of albania, and, you know, he s actually taking steps to use the bureau,