and messages between sondland and senior white house officials including mulvaney and bolton. the administration refused to turn over materials and memos relating to vice president pence back now with the team. should that be taken into account i mean, though the fact the white house is not turning over documents? i think there are two places that might come up. one is a potential impeachment charge of obstruction. obstruction. there, what jonathan turlly said is presidents back since washington asserted privileges and immunities. that s what trump is doing. you don t impeach apartment for doing that. the democrats could go to court. they haven t. the second place it might come up is adam schiff threatened non-compliance with subpoenas could be considered adverse inference. which means we don t turn it over we are assume it s bad for you and find against you. knows are the two places it might come up. dana you exchanged text
house judiciary committee during the impeachment of president nixon. so he knows of what he speaks. i want to pick up what where where garrett just left off. there s garrett, in case anybody was missing him. i want to pick up right where he left off, michael. that the obstruction case, to some people, seems clearer than the case about quid pro quo with ukraine. well, you re absolutely right. you know, the constitution uses the word sole power twice. it says that the house has the sole power of impeachment and the senate has the sole power to try the impeachment charge. here, the president has interfered with the impeachment process that the constitution says congress has the sole power to engage in. he doesn t get to decide what s relevant. and he s withheld it in a broadway, much broader and a more brazen way than richard nixon did. richard nixon did send people up to testify to the judiciary committee. albeit, some of them lied under oath. but he didn t produce any documents to
of the democrats to put on a performance where they do that. i do. i think it s a bad thing for our country. reporter: later, the president made a severe personal attack on the man leading the impeachment charge for democrats. i think adam schiff is a deranged human being. i think he grew up with a complex for lots of reasons that are obvious. i think he is a very sick man. reporter: the president has blocked his top advisers from testifying in the house impeachment inquiry, but today, he said that will all change in the trial that would follow in the republican-led senate, following a vote by the house to impeach. so when it s fair it will be fair in the senate i would love to have mike pompeo, i d love to have mick, i d love to have rick perry and many other people testify. but i don t want them to testify when this is a total fix. reporter: today, the president also had harsh words for the president of france, who recently suggested that the nato
they see impeachment as something to be endured simply because they elected a president, others don t agree to it. back in washington, the man leading the impeachment charge talked with cnn s deplore ya borger about what it is like to be the man behind the gavel. reporter: intelligence committee chair adam schiff is at the center of the storm, leading an historic inquiry on impeachment. paoepimpeachment inquiry int donald adjustment trump. shifty schiff. reporter: anyone not under a rock knows schiff is one of president trump s favorite targets. little pencil neck. reporter: on camera.
and so that he was informed about wikileaks going to come out with this information. he didn t want to perjure himself again. because that could lead to another impeachment charge. or it could just be a really bad black eye for republicans who feel like they have to continue to support him. let me ask you really quickly about mitch mcconnell and the sound bite we played. he said he doesn t see a scenario which 67 senators would convict to remove the president from office. he is speaking really kind of in real political terms, not necessarily waiting to see the evidence. but do you think that there is any window here in the senate for republican senators to break ranks, not necessarily in large numbers to out of the president, but enough for the president to be somewhat rattled going into 2020? i think there s a lot of republican senators that if it was a private vote, that they would vote to remove him. but they have, you know, base