we wa nt we want to stop talking about immigration, we know it s one of your top priorities and we know from documents of the bbc saw this week that when your chance for you expressed doubts about number ten s desire to spend migrants send migrants to rwanda. are you upset on revelations? ida. migrants to rwanda. are you upset on revelations? ., migrants to rwanda. are you upset on revelations? revelations? no, i have not fully documents revelations? no, i have not fully documents i revelations? no, i have not fully documents i cannot revelations? no, i have not fully documents i cannot comment i revelations? no, i have not fullyl documents i cannot comment but revelations? no, i have not fully. documents i cannot comment but i ultimately documents i cannot comment but i ultimately helped fund that scheme and my ultimately helped fund that scheme and myjob now is to get it up and running and myjob now is to get it up and running because it is about deterrence. the nationa
rwanda confidence be reliant make the rwanda scheme will work as well. | rwanda scheme will work as well. i ust rwanda scheme will work as well. just want rwanda scheme will work as well. i just want to get this absolutely on the record and i m not asking you to comment on leaked documents, i want you to say completely clearly whether you ever had any doubts about whether or not sending migrants to africa from uk shores would put people off making the journey across the channel. this has not been tried journey across the channel. this has not been tried before journey across the channel. this has not been tried before so journey across the channel. this has not been tried before so it s - journey across the channel. this has not been tried before so it s fair- not been tried before so it s fair to say not been tried before so it s fair to say it not been tried before so it s fair to say it is not been tried before so it s fair to say it is novel. i ve been clear it is
rwanda scheme bogs down. and questions of whether he would let human rights block the plans for rwanda. this may take place and keep this rolling on through the importance. let s listen. some of our importance. let s listen. some of your colleagues importance. let s listen. some of your colleagues aren t importance. let s listen. some of your colleagues aren t convinced l your colleagues aren t convinced that you your colleagues aren t convinced that you really mean what you say when that you really mean what you say when it that you really mean what you say when it comes to immigration. the man he when it comes to immigration. the man he was when it comes to immigration. the man he was immigration minister and shall not man he was immigration minister and shall not long ago, robertjenrick, a former shall not long ago, robertjenrick, a former ally of yours, says this morning a former ally of yours, says this morning your position is misleading people morning your
saying you will take anything to get this off the ground. this is a technical question but an important one. if an emergency measure is put down to stop a plane taking off from the uk to go to rwanda, would you ever be able to ignore that? there is a lot in there ever be able to ignore that? there is a lot in there about ever be able to ignore that? there is a lot in there about let - ever be able to ignore that? there is a lot in there about let me - ever be able to ignore that? there is a lot in there about let me say l is a lot in there about let me say why i believe it is important, is a simple matter of fairness. ido i do not think it is right for people tojump the i do not think it is right for people to jump the queue. i i do not think it is right for people to jump the queue. people to ump the queue. i would like ou people to jump the queue. i would like you to people to jump the queue. i would like you to address people to jump the queue. i would
like you to address this. court stopped our ability to remove people once we have been through our process of parliament and our court system. i have been crystal clear about that. does that mean ignoring a rule 39? forgive me, you have said you will do whatever it takes, you will not let a foreign court to stop it happening, the practical way in which that could happen would be a rule 39, would you ever ignore a rule39? ., , ., , ,, , ., and then, i am entirely confident what we are doing is entirely complied with international obligations. i have been crystal clear, i will not let a foreign court blocked our ability to remove people safely to rwanda. you will. not answer the question. i have been very clear. when it comes to the specifics of how we do this, first, we have to get the bill through parliament and i am sure when keir starmer is here next week i am sure he will ask him, why are you not supportive of a workable deterrent like rwanda? we will make sure we can safely remov