certainly. we heard president biden, didn t we, saying to israel and messaging towards netanyahu, essentially, look, he doesn t believe that hamas still is a threat to israel. he made a big speech laying out this proposal. how much leverage do you think the white house has over this process right now? i think, certainly, what was said during the announcement of this proposal, it s speaking to the us domestic audience, certainly, given, both inside the united states and more broadly, the leadership role that many constituencies in the us want to see the administration take in ending the humanitarian suffering and the really uncalled for civilian casualties in gaza, and ifully appreciate that, but i don t think we should be in the position of assessing the security environment for
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the humanitarian crisis that, frankly, israel is responsible for addressing primarily, as the force that conducted the subsequent invasion. so i understand the international call for a cease fire, and certainly the release of the hostages, absolutely, the innocents on both sides that are being caught up in this conflict, but it does not comport with the strategic end state, which is to eliminate hamas as a military capability and the governing body inside of gaza. very, very briefly, about 20 seconds left, but i do want to ask you the details of the deal and the response of either side, how optimistic are you this actually gets done? not very optimistic. i think that there is potential for a temporary cease fire, for an initial exchange 700 palestinian prisoners for some of the hostages to be released which would be superb. but i think the long term, phase two and three, i think, have a very unlikely
as the force that conducted the subsequent invasion. so i understand the international call for a cease fire, and certainly the release of the hostages, absolutely, the innocents on both sides that are being caught up in this conflict, but it does not comport with the strategic end state, which is to eliminate hamas as a military capability and the governing body inside of gaza. very, very briefly, about 20 seconds left, but i do want to ask you the details of the deal and the response of either side, how optimistic are you this actually gets done? not very optimistic. i think that there is potential for a temporary cease fire, for an initial exchange 700 palestinian prisoners for some of the hostages to be released which would be superb. but i think the long term, phase two and three, i think, have a very unlikely chance of materialising.
his thoughts on the deal. i think what the deal contains is a staged process for the release of hostages in the first phase and a pause in the fighting, and then it goes on to a second stage with a longer pause, with more israeli withdrawals and the release of further hostages, then going on to a third stage, hopefully without any return to fighting, when you get on to the rebuilding of gaza. now, of course, all these plans are incredibly difficult to put in place. but fundamentally why i think this is a moment we should seize to try and bring this conflict to an end permanently is that, you know, it s one thing to call for a ceasefire, but of course, if you can t put in place the conditions that make a ceasefire sustainable, then it won t last. and this is an attempt to start to put those conditions in place, because we all know you ve got to look at issues of israeli security and issues of palestinian statehood alongside each other