the whole country a service. by helping illustrate the confusion and the denial that a lot of sexual victims feel in those first moments after an assault. she s going to be a really important guest to hear from tonight, lawrence, it s great to have her. yeah, alex, last night, on this program, we hand harvard law professor lawrence tribe. and i alerted the audience to the fact that is very likely that president biden would be paying attention to what professor tribe said about the debt ceiling and the 14th amendment on this program last night. and sure enough today, when president biden was asked about it he said, i have been considering the 14th amendment, and a man i have enormous respect for, larry tribe, who advised me for a long time, thinks that would be legitimate. i m not saying he was watching the show. i think you could say that. i think you can say that. i think that means you are allowed to say that. i don t know. i don t know. i think you deserve it.
that comes back that quickly means the jury believed nothing from one side of the case. and in the first moment of the first reading of the jury verdict, by the court clerk, there was hope for donald trump. the judge said, the clerk will publish the verdict. and then the deputy clerk said, as to battery, and then the deputy clerk read the verdict forum with the questions presented to the jury and their answers. question, as to battery, did miss carroll prove by a preponderance of the evidence that, one, mr. trump raped ms. carroll. answer, no. the clerk quickly moved to the next question which then allowed the trump team not more than one full second or two to
question for how long have you you known ms. carroll? answer, about 30 to 33 years i think. question, did there come a time when ms. carroll told you about an encounter that she had with donald trump? answer, yes. question, when was that? answer, i believe it was in the spring of 1996. question, could you describe in just a sentence what mrs. carroll told you about that encounter? answer, she told me that donald trump recognized her outside or right in the doorway of bergdorf goodman, asked her to help him shop, and assaulted her upstairs in a dressing room. did she tell you this in person or on the phone? it was on the phone. how long after the assault had happened did ms. carroll tell you about it? i would say, 5 to 7 minutes. lisa birnbach went into much more detail about the description of that assault. that she heard from e. jean carroll in her testimony. here is how e. jean carroll s
enjoy the possibility that they might win this case. question two, did mr. trump sexually abuse ms. carroll? yes. question number four, ms. carroll was injured as a result of mr. trump s conduct. answer, yes. $1 amount that would fairly and adequately compensate her for injury, for that injury, or for those injuries. $2 million. question five, mr. trump s conduct was willfully or wantonly negligent, reckless or done with a conscious disregards of the rights of ms. carroll or was so reckless has to amount to such disregard. answer, yes. how much, if any, should mr. trump pay to ms. carroll in punitive damages? answer, $20,000. as to defamation, did ms. carroll prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that questioned six, mr. trump
have listened to the range of damages given by trauma expert and by the defamation expert. but i think all in all, they were getting to a 5 million dollar number, and trying to allocate harm sort of 50/50 between both the sexual assault, the original power play, and the defamation, the second power play. both which were equally harmful to miss carroll. michelle goldberg, i know you ve been thinking about this since 3:00, as we all have, and i just want to give you an open microphone here to share with us whatever reactions you have to today s verdict. first of all, i m profoundly relieved. because, as i wrote before, i ve always thought that e. jean carroll had much more to lose here then than donald trump did. donald trump is going to presumably pay her five billion million dollars or find a way to avoid her paying $5 million. this isn t going to do anything immediately to his political standing.