verdict came along and we made some emergency arrangements. here in boston. to get into this coverage tonight. we have lisa birnbach joining us, as the first guest tonight, as you know, she is e. jean carroll s best friend and the most supportive witness that e. jean carroll had in the trial. she s the very first person who heard e. jean carroll s story. that very day. minutes after it happened. when she had that encounter with donald trump. and you know, lisa burn box testimony about this, i think should so much light into the ways in which victims of sexual assault often have a hard time grappling with what they just went through. and lisa birnbach did, i think the whole country a service. by helping illustrate the confusion and the denial that a lot of sexual victims feel in those first moments after an assault. it s gonna be really important guest to hear from tonight, lawrence, it s great to have her. yeah, alex, last night, on this program, we hand harvard law profe
the whole country a service. by helping illustrate the confusion and the denial that a lot of sexual victims feel in those first moments after an assault. she s going to be a really important guest to hear from tonight, lawrence, it s great to have her. yeah, alex, last night, on this program, we hand harvard law professor lawrence tribe. and i alerted the audience to the fact that is very likely that president biden would be paying attention to what professor tribe said about the debt ceiling and the 14th amendment on this program last night. and sure enough today, when president biden was asked about it he said, i have been considering the 14th amendment, and a man i have enormous respect for, larry tribe, who advised me for a long time, thinks that would be legitimate. i m not saying he was watching the show. i think you could say that. i think you can say that. i think that means you are allowed to say that. i don t know. i don t know. i think you deserve it.
question, could you describe in just a sentence what mrs. carroll told you about that encounter? answer, she told me that donald trump recognized her outside or right in the doorway of bergdorf goodman, asked her to help him shop, and assaulted her upstairs in a dressing room. did she tell you this in person or on the phone? it was on the phone. how long after the assault had happened disney did ms. carroll tell you about it? i would say 5 to 7 minutes. lisa birnbach went into much more detail about the description of that assault. that she heard from e. jean carroll in her testimony. here is how e. jean carroll s attorney, after getting all of the details, ended the questioning of lisa birnbach on direct examination. question, miss birnbach, did you receive a subpoena to testify in this trial?
verdict came along and we made some emergency arrangements. here in boston. to get into this coverage tonight. we have lisa birnbach joining us, as the first guest tonight, as you know, she is e. jean carroll s best friend and the most supportive witness that e. jean carroll had in the trial. she s the very first person who heard e. jean carroll s story. that very day. minutes after it happened. when she had that encounter with donald trump. and you know, lisa burn box testimony about this, i think should so much light into the ways in which victims of sexual assault often have a hard time grappling with what they just went through. and lisa birnbach did, i think the whole country a service. by helping illustrate the confusion and the denial that a lot of sexual victims feel in those first moments after an assault. it s gonna be really important guest to hear from tonight, lawrence, it s great to have her. yeah, alex, last night, on
protection there. it would just be disrespectful. you know, lisa, when she was telling me that, it was one of those moments on this program that i ve had more than once. where it s, well, i know this person. and let me just explain to you, audience, why she s saying this this way. what was your reaction, when you heard her say that, i m sure you did, on this program. and the way, over the years, up until this trial, she had been pushing herself away from the word rape in the story. to me, it s all about a woman who grew up in a small town in indiana in the 40s. i think there was a curse around the word rape. a victim of rape was what i think what called damaged goods. i think that was sort of the way it was thought of.