it actually is a human rights problem when people are luring people, promising them if they can just make it to a sanctuary city they will be okay. we have had in recent weeks untold all those deaths that we saw in that horrible situation in the truck in texas. and so everybody, democrat and republican need to recover a much better conversation for talking about these things. there is a reason why we have rule of law and not rule of men. and we can debate whether we want to have stricter or more lax immigration policy but we need to be on the same page and understand that having borders and having laws is something that serves the entire community. bret: we re not lawyers here, but is there standing here for chicago and do you think this make makes it all the way up to the supreme court? i think it goes to the supreme court. i talked to a couple lawyer-types today. and the law is so murky on all of, this the supreme court has never established like a test for how you can judge when
countries. and now president trump is saying, well, obama s policy didn t solve the human rights problem in cuba in two years, so we re going to go back to a policy that didn t solve it for 50. hagar, when looking at the broader picture of trying to influence someone else s domestic policies, whether it s cuba or iran or china or whatever, what is the most effective tool for americans? is it diplomatic engagement? commercial and economic engagement? security, what s the thing that bor works the best? it s thathard to place the everyone this is on one item. it usually has to be a package. a mix of diplomatic, financial tulles. commending on what one that country needs. it really completely depends. but since president trump is focusing on sanctions, which is my absolute favorite thing to discuss, he has it completely wrong. this as bill mentioned, this is a decades-old policy that was proven not to work.
violations when were not concerned about it. eric: do you like the cuba policy? it s a very important policy to my question, because the only difference is obama like the one and not the other. you can flip the same thing about obama. eric: no, no, no! this gives us leverage! we ve got the american consumer, a powerful leverage tool for cuba! this is where we re going to do business with you. the government is not going to take 80% of the deal anymore, like they were before. we will do deals with you with your people, not your government. i accept that and understand that, the expiration makes more sense to me. i m saying the human rights angle doesn t really make much sense. eric: i will bring in jessica, but we are solving part of the human rights problem, part of it. not all of it, but part of it. any american life that comes home been held captive someone else is a wonderful day. any economic gains that we would see is also a wonderful thing. i would say though that fro
2,000 years ago, the solution then was awol. the chinese built a wall, english built hadrian s wall, israel was built a wall, they work. why wouldn t it work in arizona? good many reasons. one is cost, tucker 310,000 men will make years to mug mankind has been building around walls and things. a robust array of we can come up with a better solution. i am absolutely a proponent of securing the border. my fear is we are continuing this dialogue of a wall, awol, awol, which too many of us doesn t seem credible. and in that this court, we are losing the more serious discussions about how to better secure our borders at a lower point, more effectively. that s my concern. it s a public safety problem, human rights problem. all manner of transnational crime is coming where the border is.
2,000 years ago, the solution then was awol. the chinese built a wall, english built hadrian s wall, israel was built a wall, they work. why wouldn t it work in arizona? good many reasons. one is cost, tucker 310,000 men will make years to mug mankind has been building around walls and things. a robust array of we can come up with a better solution. i am absolutely a proponent of securing the border. my fear is we are continuing this dialogue of a wall, awol, awol, which too many of us doesn t seem credible. and in that this court, we are losing the more serious discussions about how to better secure our borders at a lower point, more effectively. that s my concern. it s a public safety problem, human rights problem. all manner of transnational crime is coming where the border is.