was following trump s lawyers. so he may be trying to distance himself not wanting to be caught up with giuliani and trump, the bigger fish, come in. we ve been discussing rudy giuliani a lot. first struggling to pay the legal bills and then trouble finding a georgia attorney. now we understand that he does have a lawyer to help him through the bond process. we re expecting him to be in georgia today. what should we expect to see when it comes to the former mayor of new york? it should be similar to the other folks. meaning there is an agreement in terms of what that bail would be, likely putting up 10% as other folks likely did as well. and i d expect that giuliani is somewhat scrambling. as we know, he is looking for money. he is having difficulties in finding an attorney, he has mr. kerik who is helping him out. i think that giuliani is getting desperate and if you were donald trump, i d be concerned turning my back on someone who those a lot about me and what did or
accused her of having an affair with a gang member. they are baseless and false, but effective in appealing to his most diehard supporters, people who are energized and attracted to what he says. reporter: as part of the conditions of his release on bond in fulton county, trump has been ordered by the court to, quote, make no direct or indirect threat to co-defendents, victims or witnesses or community individuals. if he were to violate that, he could see himself behind bars. reporter: but there are threats targeting trump as well. court filings say a woman in illinois has been charged with threatening to kill trump and his youngest son barron to shoot them, quote, straight in the face. a federal judge whose son was shot and killed at their home in 2020 worries about the overall climate of fear. i m also concerned about the language that is being used by our leaders both on the right
republican party says the attention make clear his state will help settle a larger debate, whether a rematch between biden and trump or not. i don t think anything is inevitable. history is full of folks who were ahead early and didn t end up the nominee in both parties. reporter: it is an open question if history will be the best guide for the 2024 campaign. but one thing is clear, talking to voters here in wisconsin, many do have open minds. some eager to turn the page beyond trump. some of course loyal supporters. but one year from now, next summer, the republican party will nominate their candidate right here in milwaukee in this building right behind me here. will it be trump or someone on the debate stage? that of course is up to the voters. jeff zeleny, cnn, milwaukee. happening now overseas, day two of the brics is under way. members brazil, russia, india, china and south africa, represent more than 40% of the world s population.
then i think that he starts to pull some of the voters back. reporter: carolyn would be in that camp. when we first met, she was torn. i get it why people don t like trump. reporter: she ultimately voted for trump. now she s intent on sizing up the field. is there anyone who stands out to you or a few people? i m still learning about all of them. i ve been really interested in desantis. haley. i m interested in her. reporter: she wants to hear the 2candidates talk about education, economy and crime. she fears biden is too old and for now with holding judgment on trump. he s not my first choice. but let s see what my choices are. reporter: democrats are also laser focused on wisconsin. with the biden campaign on the air with a new tv ad. what this debate is about is one of us versus joe biden. chairman of the wisconsin
pnc bank. we re just hours away from the first gop presidential primary debate, but with former president trump expected to be a no-show, all eyes will be on florida governor ron desantis who is a distant second next to trum in trump in the latest polls. randi kaye looks at desantis past debating style. he is a failed mayor, he presided over a crime ridden city. reporter: republican ron desantis attacking andrew gillum at their 2018 gubernatorial debate. but according to one of his debate coaches, desantis is not always so confident on the debate stage and he has a move that is a dead giveaway oig. going into the debate, we knew ron had a nervous jaw. whenever he wasser at this timed, he would move it back and forth. reporter: a media consultant