donny s point, i think it s fair donny had a point while we were off air that i think is relevant to this. amen to you, april. and picking up on april, joe unen foreignn unun ununfortunately, we sit around this table and he we can t give health care to 15 million that didn t have it. we have to cut entitlements. but you can t solve the problem if you cut it. you can t just say it s in the middle class. the entitlements do hit this community that everyone running for office wants to cut. and he we all philosophically clearly agree we have to put the family structure back in place, we have to help the communities but the reality is if we sat here and we all put our green visors on and went to steve rattner s chart, the only way we solve this is by increasing entitlements. wait, wait wait. i m sorry. hold on a second steve rattner.
steve, let me chime in here because, again, i know there are people at the table that want to make this an either/or. it s just it s not a matter of there s a certain reality. no one wants to make it an either/or. it s not an either/or donny. let s have a real conversation here. anybody that talks about the need for fathers to stay engaged in their children s life suddenly people start pointing at conservatives and say you re cutting everything. they are. that s a fact. no i joe donny, let s me finish and then we ll go to steve rattner because steve, we ve talked about debt for a very long time. you can actually be for saving the next skrep race of americans from a crushing debt that will destroy the economy and still be for funding inner cities. still be for funding education. that s at least where i am, steve. and when i talk about middle class entitlements, i m talking
banging for like four seconds. they re trying to make it seem that i told them that freddie gray did to himself. why the [ bleep ] would he do that to himself? that man heard something on the other side of the van. the question is what was going on. welcome back to morning joe oig. mike barnicle donny deutsche and steve rattner still with us in new york. and joining the conversation anchor from world news america caddie kay. and there a conflicting report. it comes from the local station in washington with a and cites anonymous sources that claim gray s fatal injuries occur when he slammed into the back of the police van. that incident allegedly broke gray s neck and he also reportedly suffered a head injury which matches a bolt from the back of the van. sources say there was no evidence that he suffered the injuries while police officers tried to arrest him. but they say it is still unknown
i agree it s a question about money. and you can take it wherever you want and invest in the community, do all the things we re talking about here. but where i may disagree with you, maybe i don t, is that s not what is on the table in washington. what is on the table in washington 34r5urly particularly from the republicans, but democrats have not been much better, but are not proposals reinvesting in what you say. it s not. and again, for people that watch this show, they know we say this ad nauseum. steve, this is something you and i agree with i have been complaining about, you have been complaining about, that for five six, seven, eight year people have been talking about balancing the budget by cutting discretionary domestic spending. i know it sounds like i m getting deep in the weeds, but that s only 10%, 11% of the budget. and that is all of these
violence spiked with five shootings thursday and around the country, more protests calling for justice for freddie gray. and in philadelphia hundreds gathered at city hall. the philly is baltimore rally. they proceeded to march through the streets and tie up traffic chanting black lives matter. it was a peaceful demonstration which led to a confrontation with police. protesters and officers began pushing each other. but the situation deescalated and no arrests have been reported. and in cincinnati an estimated 300 people gathered for more than an hour at the steps of the county courthouse a smaller group marched to police headquarters. no arrests there will either. welcome to morning joe . joining us we have in new york mike barnicle, donny deutsche harold ford jr., steve rattner,