banging for like four seconds. >> they're trying to make it seem that i told them that freddie gray did to himself. why the [ bleep ] would he do that to himself? >> that man heard something on the other side of the van. the question is what was going on. >> welcome back to morning joe oig. mike barnicle donny deutsche and steve rattner still with us in new york. and joining the conversation anchor from world news america caddie kay. and there a conflicting report. >> it comes from the local station in washington with a and cites anonymous sources that claim gray's fatal injuries occur when he slammed into the back of the police van. that incident allegedly broke gray's neck and he also reportedly suffered a head injury which matches a bolt from the back of the van. sources say there was no evidence that he suffered the injuries while police officers tried to arrest him. but they say it is still unknown