podcast a must close sense, strict scrutiny and msnbc legal analyst. it s great to see you, thank you for coming on the show! thanks for having me. this is a lot to sow why this isn t headline news like across the country and it is shocking, and it is unacceptable if you believe in the independence of the judiciary. how can this be going on? well that is the question, and everyone has been talking about the reported lake and liberals versus hobby lobby decision, but that s not really the story. that is burying the lead. the real story is this coordinated highly finance campaign to get access to these justices naturally they were successful. they got access to some of the most conservative justices, and we don t know if it shaped the outcome in any decision, but we do know that they had unprecedented access. does not just reporting in the new york times, there was also reporting earlier this year in rolling stone and politico that talked about these individuals going to chambe
but potentially they jobs like. i mean i think everybody thinks that if there s someone that s like this thing, it was probably justice alito at this point. do you concur with that? well i think if past is prologue and if the first leak was attributable to justice alito, then it stands to reason why people would think that he s also responsible for the second link, but i would underscore the leak isn t the problem. the problem is that this is a justice who said to the wall street journal, nearly questioning the supreme court s legitimacy crosses a line. but praying in your chambers with people who have a real business before the court does not cross a line. that takes incredible cheat to look the people of the united states in the face and say, you can t question this court and you can t question what we do even though what we are doing crosses so many lines. and what do when you hear the reporting about what s happened in the 2014 hobby lobby decision, i mean we know what s happ
but as the chief justice of the united states, he is the institutional steward of this court. he cares deeply about the court s legitimacy. frankly, this court legitimacy has been in tatters since the dobbs decision. people believe that the court is highly politicized. they believe that the dobbs decision was not a function of law but rather a function of the change personnel on this court. that s in one year, from being a 54 bear conservative majority to a 6 to 3 conservative super majority. and he knows that. so he could not have been hat happy about this. whether he can actually take steps to do something, whether he can police this conservative seniority that he is not in leading the head of, that s a different story entirely. we ve never seen him you know basically huddled in the face of these five justices who seen bets on doing what they like and not with the chief justice wants. we talk about justice is being bet on doing what they like, i mean the impunity in which justice a
this chief justice wants. he s a conservative to be sure but as the chief justice of the united states, he is the institutional steward of this court. he cares deeply about the court s legitimacy. frankly, this court legitimacy has been in tatters since the dobbs decision. people believe that the court is highly politicized. they believe that the dobbs decision was not a function of law but rather a function of the change personnel on this court. that s in one year, from being a 54 bear conservative majority to a 6 to 3 conservative super majority. and he knows that. so he could not have been hat happy about this. whether he can actually take steps to do something, whether he can police this conservative seniority that he is not in leading the head of, that s a different story entirely. we ve never seen him you know basically huddled in the face of bets on doing what they like and not with the chief justice wants. we talk about justice is being bet on doing what they like, i mean the
it s a strategy to lobby some of the most influential people in the country has worked this well, why stop now? joining us now is melissa murray, she s a professor of new york university school of law, co-host of the legal podcast a must close sense, strict scrutiny and msnbc legal analyst. it s great to see you, thank you for coming on the show! thanks for having me. this is a lot to sow why this isn t headline news like across the country and it is shocking, and it is unacceptable if you believe in the independence of the judiciary. how can this be going on? well that is the question, and everyone has been talking about the reported lake and liberals versus hobby lobby decision, but that s not really the story. that is burying the lead. the real story is this coordinated highly finance campaign to get access to these justices naturally they were successful. they got access to some of the most conservative justices, and we don t know if it shaped the outcome in any decision,