the president turned to me and he said well, one thing we know is you rosen, you aren t going to do anything. you don t even agree with the claims of election fraud and this other guy, at least might do something. it was basically jeff clark advocating for the leadership change and everyone else advocating against it. it was a very blunt contentious conversation. hirschman and i were on the same level of being the street fighters of the meeting. when he finished discussing what he planned on doing, i said good f-ing, excuse me me, a-hole. congratulations you actually admitted the first step would be committing a rule. you re clearly the right candidate for this job. white house counsel pat cipollone was vehemently against the plan as well. he referred to the letter jeff clark wrote as a murder suicide pact that no one should have anything to do with it. i basically made the point to the president jeff clark was not
identified the 10,000 supposed dead people voting in georgia isn t accurate. i didn t hear that. i think i found 22 if i remember correctly. two of them died just days before the general election. hirschman, it was alleged in rudy giuliani s hearing today. your number is much closer to what we can prove. i think it s 12. meadows, my son found 12 obituaries and 6 other possibles. hirschman, that sounds more like it. maybe he can help rudy find the other 10,000? meadows, lol. when the claims of dead voters didn t pan out trump elevated theories about dominion voting machines. that came from sidney powell. they said the software was created in venezuela for hugo chavez. when powell told trump about the conspiracy theory trump laughed literally. while she was speaking the
some logistical problems, printing an 800-page report, but i think probably they didn t want to stem on the ukrainian president s headlines. yeah. i don t think there was a printer issue. i heard the printer issue. i think they can print docs on capitol hill. i ve seen it. the committee did release, though, some new information yesterday, a batch of transcripts of 34 witnesses who repeatedly took the fifth amendment while testifying before the panel. here s some of the notable names on the list who answered few or no questions at all. john eastman. he cited, how ironic, his fifth amendment right 155 times. hirschman said get yourself a good criminal lawyer. yeah, he needed one. that s what hirschman told him. he s of course a trump lawyer, eastman is. but the committee has called the mastermind behind the fake electors plot. and roger stone responded with
i don t, wolf. and this is really about eric herschmann, who was the break out star of the january 6th committee hearings. he had that salty language and direct advice to john eastman, to jeffrey clark, they needed to hire their own criminal defense lawyers. his testimony is really important, because it could go to criminal intent. because he could show that eastman and clark and perhaps even trump himself were directly told by a lawyer, hirschman, that what they were doing is a crime. so that s important for investigators. so you can see why trump would not want him to be unleashed in front of a grand jury. now, attorney/client privilege and executive privilege really doesn t apply here, because eric herschmann was a government lawyer and there s case law, wolf, that says this. that it doesn t prevent the privileges don t prevent him from testify. because as a government lawyer, he s supposed to talk about criminality within the white house. if he was trump s private lawyer, it wo
the stuff that the bureau right. so every other. it was about what would be kept and what wasn t. at that point you lose the ability to say it was just a mistake. the movers put things in boxes on the day we left the white house and nobody knew it was there. at least in january, there was a proactive decision. let s give these 15 over and we ll keep these 33 backs. there was some sort of a question, had a said what and who drove it. again, we talk about other investigations. that they referenced this could cause damage to who high profile investigations. they don t say what they are. i m not trying to link it directly to january 6th but that is another high pro fail investigation going on. how important is hirschman? i think he s pretty important. i think herschman was in conversations directly with the president or with people who