don t even hit the gray areas, just stay away. sandra: interesting. that s not the only thing he is in hot water over. high travel expenses as well and raises to a couple of staff members. the travel expenses i understand. i see conflicting information are not out of line with his predecessors. that has to be run to ground. i ve seen some reports say it was excessive and others say it was in line. sandra: senator rand paul said we need him as the epa administrator. the president has a big trip in west virginia. always good to see you. thank you. we have still a big show for you ahead. moments away deputy white house press secretary hogan gidley will join us on america s newsroom as well as house homeland security committee chairman michael mccaul. big guests coming up on a quickly changing morning. leland: a lot to ask hogan about as it goes back to scott