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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111127:17:24:00

pearson had a revelation. and i said, god, god i don t know how you can call yourself a loving god and allow these people to suffer so much and then just suck them into hell. and i heard i believe it was the spirit of god saying, is that what you think we re doing? you heard this voice? yes, sir. and i said, that s what i ve been taught. he broke down, he says. he cried. he talked back at that voice in his head. god, i can t save this whole world and that s when i heard that voice say, precisely. that s what we did. and if you tell them that they are redeemed, you wouldn t create those kinds of problems. can t you see they re already in hell? clear as a bell, says carlton, he heard god telling him to preach this new message that hell is a place in life and that after death everybody is redeemed, everybody. i immediately started

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111127:17:38:00

but as brother timms and others were quick to point out human weaknesses, like ted s, can strike almost anyone. but leading people astray is serious business. to many people, what carlton had done was the fouler deed by far. they re both dangerous. i wouldn t want to be in either one of their shoes. where are they headed? they re headed for perdition. they re headed for hell as sure as there is a hell. but they can forgive ted because ted still believes you have to confess christ to be saved. he can be forgiven. yes. you can t? i cannot. no. it was for many who d once admired carlton pearson simply unforgivable. and folks around tulsa got the word. if they don t accept jesus christ as their savior, they are going to hell. coming up who was right? carlton pearson or the leaders of his church? and who would pay the price? ads, always infinity is made with a revolutionary material, infinicel, that forms to your body and absorbs up to 60% more than kotex regular u

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111127:17:58:00

where you are going to with this now? to the world. i now hear from mormons, muslims, jews, gays, quakers, agnostics, atheists. a whole world that i d never had any contact with. some of the greatest letters i have gotten about god are from atheists and from agnostics. the gates of hell, say that, the gates of hell the gates of hell. will not prevail. and the boy who was born to preach belts out a message about hell, which is, according to millions of bible-believing christians, dangerous and illegitimate. my emotion is, i love him. i feel sorry for him. i weep for him. i cry for him. it makes you sad. oh, yes, so sad. and to other christians, it s perfectly wonderful. tell me children you know i ve been changed

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111127:17:43:00

control. a form of religious tyranny. now i consider myself a freedom fighter, trying to get people free from the paranoia and the penalty of following these people who say it s our way or the highway. and his own religious leaders, his fellow churchmen, were, no surprise, dismayed. listen, i love him. he is not qualified to preach in my church. not by the book. not by the book. he s not qualified. they re afraid i m going to lead people to hell. they re afraid that i m going to lead people away from the tradition. they re afraid. everything s fear. that s exactly what bill timms says. you re leading people to hell. yeah. that you are a demon possessed. yes, yes. and i would have said that a few years ago myself. but remember up to 6,000 people a week had been faithfully attending carlton s services when he preached that

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111127:17:18:00

pretty big-time. you re there at the invitation of the president of the united states. this is more than just making it. yeah, that was pretty big stuff. but i never saw it as a personal thing. i saw it as, the hand of the lord is on you. this is the destiny of god. keep yourself humbled. and yet, even as all of that success smiled down on carlton, one secret cauldron of trouble brewed away down in his soul. it would not go away. it was that topic so central to his own preaching. the idea of hell. i was angry that people go to hell. i was angry that people were stupid enough, faithless enough to do the things when they know that they re going to hell. he kept thinking about his backsliding, hell-bound grandparents. i was resentful of god. if you fear god the way we re taught to fear him, you ll serve him, you ll believe in him,

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