dicey, and they didn t come out of the campaign and that s big. if but it s not even a campaign violation. if you look at president obama, he had a massive campaign violation, but he had a different attorney general and they viewed it a lot differently. sean: while the media want you to believe that michael cohen, a central player in all things trump, the president at a much different take. let s listen to him. michael cohen. tell me about your relationship with him. he was a lawyer for me for one of many the lawyer and then they like to add the fixer. i don t know where that term came from. didn t do big deals, did small deals. not somebody that was with me they make it sound like i didn t live without him. i understood him very well. it turned out he wasn t a very good lawyer, frankly. but he was somebody that was probably with me for about ten
of the campaign and that s big. but it s not even a campaign violation. if you look at president obama, he had a massive campaign violation, but he had a different attorney general and they viewed it a lot differently. sean: while the media want you to believe that michael cohen, a central player in all things trump, the president had a much different take. let s listen to him. michael cohen. tell me about your relationship with him. he was a lawyer for me forr - one of many the lawyer and f then they like to add the fixer. i don t know if he was a fixer. i don t know where that term came from. didn t do big deals, did small deals.al not somebody that was with me they make it sound like i didn t live without him. s i understood michael cohen very well. it turned out he wasn t a very good lawyer, frankly. but he was somebody that was probably with me for about ten years.ob
that they don t like to cover that type of thing. they like to cover nonsense. it s one of those things. ainsley: speaking of, yesterday, huge news day. a lot breaking today as well. michael cohen, tell me about your relationship with him. well, he was a lawyer for me for one of many, you know, they always say the lawyer and then they like to add the fixer. well, i don t know if he is a fixer. i don t know where that term came from. but, he has been a lawyer for me. didn t do big deals. did small deals. not somebody that was with me that much. you know, they make it sound like i didn t live without him. i stud michael cohen very well. he turned out he wasn t a very good lawyer, frankly, but he was somebody that was probably with me for about 10 years. i would see him sometimes. when i had deals, i had outside lawyers and i have a lot of inside lawyers, too, in addition to michael. i always found him to be a nice guy. ainsley: he said one story said you didn t know anything about th
do you agree with that? i think it s a huge obstacle because of that. he had three great attributes. bipartisan, straight-talker, competency. the problem he s got is one of his two strengths are wrong, right? either he wasn t straight with us, or he wasn t competent, right? he wasn t a very he wasn t governing very well. so i do think that hurts him. but, joe, how does he get to that? that was the question before all of this. and now it s even harder. i just say, though, i agree with reverend al here, that if he survives this, he goes to the primary i ll tell you what i d do, makes the media angle of course. and by the way, by the way, not only conservatives but liberals, they love a politician that can take a punch. yep. and survive their enemies. and you look at bill clinton, there were a lot of democrats that weren t sure whether they