that they don't like to cover that type of thing. they like to cover nonsense. it's one of those things. ainsley: speaking of, yesterday, huge news day. a lot breaking today as well. michael cohen, tell me about your relationship with him. >> well, he was a lawyer for me for one of many, you know, they always say the lawyer and then they like to add the fixer. well, i don't know if he is a fixer. i don't know where that term came from. but, he has been a lawyer for me. didn't do big deals. did small deals. not somebody that was with me that much. you know, they make it sound like i didn't live without him. i stud michael cohen very well. he -- turned out he wasn't a very good lawyer, frankly, but he was somebody that was probably with me for about 10 years. i would see him sometimes. when i had deals, i had outside lawyers and i have a lot of inside lawyers, too, in addition to michael. i always found him to be a nice guy. ainsley: he said one story said you didn't know anything about the payments. now he is saying that you directed him to make these