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This first year of trump is going to mean for the Republican Party in the long term, for conservatives . Do they have the same home that they used to, or is the party irreparably changed . I think long term, the chances are high that the Republican Party, it cant recover or is broken apart or this is the beginning of a breaking apart for them. The brand of what it means to be a conservative or conservative republican is kind of lost. And whether conservatives in particular can ever get back to, you know, having a party of their own is hard to know. You have a lot of people like Pete Wayner N david brooks out there saying im a political refugee. Sounds like you wouldnt say that donald trump is conservative. Oh, hes definitively not. Michael steele . No, hes not. Hes not at all. I agree with jon. I think what weve seen at the surface is something thats been going on beneath the surface since reagan left office. And certainly it came to a head during my time as National Chairman with the

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