he a hostage barricade or a suspected one, the first thing we re doing is we come in weapons high and we re looking for your hands. i see a hand gun, we re going engage. and that s what law enforcement does. if you are a teacher who thinks you re doing a defensive, you know, pose and protect a student, law enforcement will just assume you re the shooter. and if we start introducing five, ten guns into that school, the complexity of target identification and clearance and knowing whether that individual is safe or already they are actually complicit and waiting for you to turn your back, it s absolutely minds boggling. law enforcement will go the default which is to shoot the person with the gun. shoot the person with gun. imagine if that was that deeply caring teacher that ivanka was referencing just trying from text his or her students. imagine that teacher then losing their life. malcolm, thank you so much. this is a complicated and high-risk issue. i appreciate you joining us.
stoneman high school including one i spoke with just a few minutes ago. my experience when the police came in to clear my classroom, was that the first thing that they did was to point guns at myself and my students and they were doing it in the interest of our safety, to make sure that no one in the room was posing a threat. but if i had a gun in my hand at that moment they would have shot me. so i don t necessarily think that that s a good solution to this problem. and any activity any teachers on this program who disagree, who want to carry a weapon, who believe like the president said that they could shoot the hell out of a mass shooter like that. let s take a look at what teachers would be up against if they were armed with a hand gun and confronted with a weapon like an ar-15. an ar-15 style rifle, well that s a semiautomatic weapon. meaning the fire it fires one round when the trig certificate pulled and automatically reloads the chamber make it ready to
we have a lot of people going on, you know what they think they see in the movies. if you ve got a hand gun and that s all the tool you have, you have to be extremely well trained to go out and engage someone who has a fully automatic or semiautomatic weapon. let me tell you a semiautomatic weapon fired in rapid sequence is just as good. depending on the distance you re away, you have to under civilians don t understand, in close quarters. the first thing you have to experience is the explosive southern of the weapon going off, not your, the shooter s. it practically deafens you in an urban environment, inside a school building like that. it s not like the movies where can you hear. it s like somebody stabbing your wear a knife. if you can get past that and still move you ll be conducting a gun battle, a fire fight with people running back and forth in front of pup it s just unless
handgun? he would be at as today advantage facing it with a hand gun, but not as much as the people who are inside the building that are completely unarmed. he is there with a gun. he has body armor and training. so i keep reading this week as i try and become more knowledgeable about appropriate police response, in fact i ll put the new york times up as an example of what i m about to say, the shooting at columbine high school in 1999 fundamentally changed police protocol amid fears that a gunman equipped with semi automatic weapons would be capable of killing dozens in a matter of seconds. officers now are stocked with appli supplies and trained to seek gunmen urgently even if they have no backup or only limited information. does that represent the current protocol for law enforcement? yes, it does. when we teach police officers to respond to these events, we teach them the first thing they should do on scene is stop the killing.
on and on. this, of course, is a preposterous idea for nothing other than the reason that if the police do enter, they re going to shoot the first person they see who is shooting, whether that s a teacher or assailant. so, that is the most idiotic idea and he s had lots of them that we ve heard from him yet. and, of course, what do we see, a tragic story, the armed police officer who was at the school had a hand gun, did not go into the building, not acceptable, not what we prepare police officers to do. but he had a hand gun. one can understand not wanting to go up against a guy with an ar-15. how preprosterous is that. let me put up a poll. 97% of the public which includes pretty much everybody in the nra except for maybe 2%, supports universal background checks. the idea that nothing has happened is preposterous because even gun owners in this country support more than what the nra