was using rudy in this very strange role. but how did the how did that begin? did trump send him over? was he just following orders? well, we know how this president likes to delegate and how often a lot of people around him are kind of operating under what they believe he would like them to do. i think, joe, the question that you ask is something that these hearings will have to uncover for the american people, for the members of congress who are ultimately going to decide the president s fate. you know, we don t know exactly at what point the president said do this or do not do this. but what s interesting is the way that this story has been woven from the very beginning through this information that rudy giuliani collected, through his ukrainian associates. and then through a key conduit in the american conservative media, a man by the name of john solomon who was a reporter at the hill until recently who basically rudy giuliani told my colleague ken vogel as we were reporting t
exactly this guy john solomon is, he said, all right, i can t get anybody to pay attention to this information that i ve uncovered, that i think is so devastating towards the bidens. so wham i going t am i going to it? so he gives it to this conservative journalist who starts to weave the story together of the ukrainians as these corrupt entities that are essentially involved in trying to interfere with american elections when really the source for that information, the primary source that rudy giuliani provided to this journalist john solomon was a prosecutor in ukraine we know to be corrupt who is now under criminal investigation in ukraine. so we know that the white house has not had an official war room to defend against itself against this impeachment to this point. shannon, i was struck yesterday. there was an effort to have some sort of rapid response from the campaign from some trump allies,