think that it s justifiable. i think the evidence continues to come in and i believe that with the president now saying that he is willing to break the law to win re-election, that that goes that tran sends partisanship. it transcends party lines. this is now about the rule of law and the united states of america. this is about us doing our jobs. mmm-hmm. and if we re talking about what s going to be a victory for trump and what s not going to be a victory for trump then we are politicizing and we are tainting this process. which, again, should be removed from politics. i m joined now by former democratic presidential candidate dnc chair vermont governor howard dean, who does not favor opening an impeachment inquiry. are you surprised at all by the way the numbers have moved recently? no, i m actually thrilled. you know, i m one of the few people who was actually around when nixon was impeached. this is exactly what happened. they were very careful. they were very deliberate.
they were very careful. they were very deliberate. they didn t go beyond the facts that were known and the groundswell grew to so much that in those days the republicans were actually patriots. i m not sure that causal story s correct. my read of the causal story is that the impeachment inquiry began when most people didn t favor impeachment and moved in tandem with the hearings. that is true. because times are very different. yeah. there was no forum for learning about the things that we ve learned about trump outside of the impeachment process. that s not true today. i mean, the analysis of what mueller, first of all, i don t believe for a minute trump s read the mueller report. i don t think he can possibly read 400 pages for him. but the for that matter is what i think what pelosi s doing is brilliant, actually, she s letting the momentum build. i don t think she s resisting it at much as you said she was. that s the story line. you think it s strategic patience? i th