they were very careful. they were very deliberate. they didn't go beyond the facts that were known and the groundswell grew to -- so much that in those days the republicans were actually patriots. >> i'm not sure that causal story's correct. my read of the causal story is that the impeachment inquiry began when most people didn't favor impeachment and moved in tandem with the hearings. >> that is true. because times are very different. >> yeah. >> there was no forum for learning about the things that we've learned about trump outside of the impeachment process. that's not true today. i mean, the analysis of what mueller, first of all, i don't believe for a minute trump's read the mueller report. i don't think he can possibly read 400 pages for him. but the for that matter is what i think what pelosi's doing is brilliant, actually, she's letting the momentum build. i don't think she's resisting it at much as you said she was. that's the story line. >> you think it's strategic patience? >> i think it's strategic patience.