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Since 2000, each time theres been a change in administration, weve asked historians and professional observers of the presidency to participate in cspans historian survey of president ial leadership. This, morning were joined our team of president ial advisers who oversaw our Fourth Survey for a deep dive into those results. Were joined from texas by professor Doug Brinkley of braise university. From michigan, by historian and author Richard Norton smith. Via zoom by historian and author amity shlaes. And from here in washington, d. C. , professor Edna Greene Medford of Howard University. Good morning to all of, you thanks for joining us this morning. Doug brinkley to start with you this morning, start by explaining the criteria that we use here. How do we kim may pair the man, theyre all men at this point, who have held the office of presidency over 230 years . How we decided to make that comparison . Well, cspan has but together a group, all of us that are on the air today are advise

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