redo the numbers, because they won t be true. he just said, we need new numbers. we need new numbers. perhaps coming to a grand jury room near you. we have a lot more in our hour here. up next, how is president biden consolidating all of the democratic party to put mitch mcconnell in a bind? when we come back. come back. just get a quote at libertymutual.com. really? i ll check that out. oh yeah. i think i might get a quote. not again! aah, come on rice. do your thing. only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ahhh! get out of here mouse. ahhh!
from associated press. a mafia prosecutor was hired by vance s office. quote in recent months hired former mafia prosecutor mark pomerantz and interviewing witnesses including former personal lawyer michael cohen. what does this look like? again, we re not in that grand jury room. this investigation is pretty locked down. what is your sense of what the ex-president and his kids and the company s criminal exposure is as we sit here today? it feels to me he is in a world of trouble. when you think about who grand jurors are, they re no different from a regular jury. they re people that come in and when they hear this testimony about financial schemes, about what looks like a mob organization, they ll understand that. they own houses. they have bank accounts.
so, harry, what would you imagine the pace is of a grand jury hearing evidence and then having to make decisions on charging? do they come all at once? do they hear all the evidence against an individual and then move on to another individual? what does that look like inside a grand jury room? it will be quite brisk, and i just want to point out, what frank s saying is exactly right, but this is hardball, right? i mean, this is really putting the squeeze to a 73-year-old, you know, father who this is tough, tough stuff. what s it going to look like? they have a real a mountain of sort of financial evidence that they ll put in through agents and then, is this accurate, yes, here s all the tax stuff. and then the drama comes if there are witnesses, you know, as they accelerate and the reason it s a little hard to predict is because if weisselberg doesn t, say,
katyal to read my fortune, and i ll never ask you to predict what s going on inside a secret grand jury room, because both are equally impossible. but i am curious what you make of the public maneuvering around it, which is the man who used to at one point be in charge of the trump russia probe, andrew mccabe, who took over for james comey releasing this unusual letter asking bill barr to fess up about what s going on, reports that they were considering trying to indict him, reports from the washington post that the grand jury did meet. we don t know what went on inside the room. and for everyone s context, i want the read from the letters. well heard rumors from reporters from the grand jury charges against mccain had declined. it s clear no indictment has been returned. that s their view. it could be sealed or something else. but the context, of course, neal is the pressure that has been brought to bear on the doj to investigate the investigators. something that bill barr was less
benner, justice department reporter for the new york times, and cynthia oxney, a former federal prosecutor her self. cynthia, please start us off with the definition of not a true bill. not a true bill would be if you went into the grand jury room and you asked the members of the grand jury for an indictment, and they said, no, we re not going to do it. i mean it just doesn t happen that you get a not a true bill. i probably have indicted 1,000 cases, maybe 2,000. i don t know. it s something you do so routinely, and i ve never had that happen to me. and here s why. because the grand jury room let me just bring it to life for you for a minute. it s like a sixth grade classroom, and you have the members of the grand jury in there, 23, and when you have a long investigation like this one that s 18 months long, you re in and out in front of this grand jury. you basically get to know them.