to account. all of that while lula faces a mountain of economic, social and political challenges. my guest is celso amorim, former foreign minister, now lula s foreign policy advisor. is brazil becoming ungovernable? celso amorim in brasilia, welcome to hardtalk. thank you, stephen. mramorim, i believe you are talking to me from your office in the presidential palace. just a few days ago, that building was invaded by a mob. how safe and secure do you feel right now? 0h, personally, i feel very safe now. i don t think anything will happen these days or the next days. but of course, that was a very worrying situation, to say the least. not very much unlike what happened in the capitol hill two years ago. we didn t expect, of course, that to happen, but certainly there were failures in the security apparatus. part of it was omission, part might be incompetence, but part might have been connivance. but when you came in to work today and you showed your security pass and i dare sa
ahead of more action planned on thursday. they re calling for fresh elections. now on bbc news, it s hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. brazilian democracy was shaken to its foundations earlier this month, but it is still standing. now, president lula has to try to fix the cracks. his government must figure out whether another assault on government institutions is likely, and hold those responsible for what looked like a half baked coup attempt to account. all of that while lula faces a mountain of economic, social and political challenges. my guest is celso amorim, former foreign minister, now lula s foreign policy adviser. is brazil becoming ungovernable? celso amorim in brasilia, welcome to hardtalk. thank you, stephen. mramorim, i believe you are talking to me from your office in the presidential palace. just a few days ago, that building was invaded by a mob. how safe and secure do you feel right now? 0h, personally, i feel very safe now. i don t think an
recover the full confidence also on our armed forces. right, well, there s a lot in that answer, so let mejust pick up on you mention one individual, anderson torres, the chief of security in brasilia, as you put it he used to be bolsonaro s justice minister. he was arrested when he returned from the united states, and key officials in the lula administration are talking about his actions and suggesting that they see. they certainly accuse him of involvement in what happened onjanuary 8. now, i need to be clear anderson torres himself has absolutely denied any involvement. what i want to ask you is whether you fear that there is a danger that bolsonaro supporters in brazil and we know there are still many millions of them will see your government
is a danger that bolsonaro supporters in brazil and we know there are still many millions of them will see your government conducting what they might perceive to be a witch hunt against key figures in the bolsonaro administration. well, i don t think there will be any witch hunt. i mean, in the sense that it will be unlike what happened in the bolsonaro government, in which people lost theirjobs because of their support for different political parties, for instance. i must say, i myself was not such an important figure, but i would never come to brasilia while i was outside, because it was. it felt like a strange land for me, and one of my sensations coming back, one of my feelings, was that i was on exile. i don t think this will happen, but certainly responsibilities have to be checked. and i think this will involve some action in terms of punishment as well. and what about