is telling huyou you shouldn t here. something was radically different. it was white powder everywhere. got masks? i m gonna go in. just a few people here and there, and just kind much silence. it s straight down. there s no word on casualties. the ammo is straight down. the loss of life presumably profound. it s straight down. at this point everyone concerned is getting north away from the world trade center as well as finding out where their families are. the south tower of the world trade center just minutes ago collapsed to the ground. only one tower is standing at this point. i have a direct line of sight to what is left of the world
damage. i m gonna go in, i m gonna look around, i m gonna see how things work. and i ll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that s okay? thomas: yes. yes. anthony: it s in the service of knowledge, that s thomas: that s okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i got into a very big, big hacker community here in shanghai and met a lot of great mentors. anthony: started in business at 21? thomas: exactly. anthony: quite an accomplishment. thomas: i didn t go to the college. anthony: you didn t go to college? thomas: i didn t go to the college. anthony: why not? thomas: most professors are way behind the, uh, the the development speed of the communities. anthony: why? your thomas: because anthony: your country is so advanced in so many other ways, why in this area? thomas: it s a network problem here in china. uh, we have the gfw. it s a great firewall and it blocked a lot of, uh, important information webs
definition of hack. it s actually a very positive word, but it became a very negative word. anthony: right. thomas: so, the word hacker is to describe the people who are really, uh, they really like programming. and as i said, they love to share information, just like cooking. you love to share recipes to other friends who, like, who love cooking as well. anthony: legally, there might be something wrong with it. but morally, do you think there s anything wrong with, like, you re essentially breaking in to a an information base. thomas: yes. anthony: i m not doing any damage. i m gonna go in, i m gonna look around, i m gonna see how things work. and i ll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that s okay? thomas: yes. yes. anthony: it s in the service of knowledge, that s thomas: that s okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i got into a very big, big hacker community here in shanghai and met a lot of great mentors. antho
china, they will have this kind of meal for a whole two days, whole weekend. anthony: see, i m telling you we should do this every week. i ll come back, i m gonna move. i m gonna move to shanghai. and you and me, twice a week, we ll just go go to weddings. [ thomas laughs ] [ emcee speaking mandarin ] thomas: you may kiss the bride. [ thomas laughs ] anthony: and there is, of