mischaracterized the mueller report, and spun the mueller report and, quote, bill barr lacks candor. the fact that they issued this memo as cover for him to do precisely what he did on the same day he did it, sort of tells you the whole thing feels like more public relation an less legal analysis. we re going to be watching for developments on all of these fronts as we covered a lot in these first 13 minutes of the show. thank you guys for now. of course, tap me on the virtual shoulder if anything develops in the time between now and the end of show. ken, and javits and glenn and ryan stick around for our next segment. and the other investigation involving the former president trump, this time in atlanta. plus student loan debt forgiveness, who qualifies and what groups are most effective and what borrowers are saying. you re watching msnbc. we ll be right back.
this is not viewed as the by the judge through a political lens and the judge s likely going to order governor kemp to testify. why do you suspect it is critical for the governor to testify now, glenn? well, i think, you know, d.a. fannie willis has made it clear she s going to investigate this case without fear, without favor, and she sure seems to be doing that, casting a wide net with respect to anybody who has any information about not only the election, the suspected election fraud, the potential solicitation of election crimes, but also with respect to the way georgia elections are run. that is something that governor kemp has a lot of information on and i think he would be a valuable source of information for the grand jury that is investigating all of these potential election crimes in georgia. hey, blayne, you brought it
that releasing it would be meaningless. this follows an appeals court giving ruling to give lindsey graham a reprieve, putting a hold on what would have been tomorrow s testimony before a georgia grand jury. looking at efforts to overturn the 2020 election. let s talk about it with glenn kirshner, a former federal prosecutor and analyst and carol leonnig and an msnbc contributor. so, glenn, the ruling on graham is being called a temporary pause. but what is temporary mean? i mean, days, weeks, months? yeah, temporary and i would add curious. this is a tough one to unpack, chris. because in two minutes or less, procedurally what happened is bonnie willis, subpoenaed lindsey graham to the grand jury, lindsey graham doesn t want to testify about donald trump s potential georgia state election crimes so he filed a motion to quash or invalidate
and that is really important for the georgia investigation, determining motive, intent and goal. what was said behind the scenes and lindsey graham can unlock some of that secret. without a doubt. and glenn, meantime, you have an evolving series of explanations for why donald trump would take classified documents to mar-a-lago. let me play a few. i still haven t seen any evidence that he was even asked to give these documents back. do any of us believe that donald trump is reading his nuclear secrets on the bedside at night. what purpose could he have for top secret information once he left office. why bring it home to florida? i don t know. i mean you have to ask him. but certainly we all know that every former president has access to their documents, it is how they write their memoirs. glenn, from a legal standpoint, does any of that ring true? no. and the time to make those