house going for an obstruction charge, another arm of impeachment of article of prooechlt charg proo on obstruction, they think that is a better calculation. we don t know how that will play out and if there really be another charge of obstruction for impeachment. but that is the game plan that this white house which really has no strategy around impeachment at all has made at the 11th hour at 12:30 a.m. last night. glenn, help us with a legal perspective here. because we watched jim jordan and the president s other supporters on television this morning saying until adam schiff releases the entire volker testimony, the entire transcript, we don t feel like we have to participate. this is a kangaroo court. when we all know that the white
ukraine. now, why? we re not exactly sure. we spoke to a senior u.s. diplomat who said there are a lot of issues that the eu is concerned about having to do with ukraine including energy, corruption, other pan european issues. but as far as sondland getting involved in this bid to do the ukranians to investigate the president s political opponents, we have no real clear indication for why that would be a just fil just filed mo justified move. all right. stick around. now let s bring in annie karni and glenn kirshner. glenn, i know that you are just hearing this news real time as we are. how do you interpret it? it seems like it gets closer and closer to the president if we now have sondland being directed by the administration
too. china should start an investigation into the bidens. because what happened to china is just about as bad as what happened with ukraine. so i would say that president zelensky, if it were me, i would recommend that they start an investigation into the bidens. because nobody has any doubt that they weren t crooked. that was a crooked deal 100%. so today s big question is does the president believe that if you abuse his power in public, that makes it okay? joining me is geoff bennett is who is following the busy day on capitol hill and also julian barnes who co-wrote the times story about congressman schiff. and also with me, white house reporter shannon petty. and form federal prosecutor
glenn kirshner. reporter: and the deposition is entering hour five. and you have republican and democratic lawmakers going there to watch the proceedings. and so around about hour one, you had some of the president s close allies, jim jordan, mark meadow, both republican congressmen, they came out of the room and they said that they had watched former ambassador kurt volker s testimony and they believe that nothing he said comports to adam schiff s theory of the case. and they were also asked about the president s comments there in the south lawn where he invited china to interfere in our election. and both of those republican congressmen said that they weren t aware. which is plausible because they were in a secure area where they have to sur writtrender their cellphones. but what happened was the reporter who asked the question then repeated the president s
jeffrey epstein, which would turn illegal and which would turn, you know, sexually abusive. that those interactions were coordinated from here. that s why you see today the nexus to new york and the prosecution. and, glenn, we mentioned that epstein is well connected. he s not a public official, not an elected official, not somebody in a government position, but we are told today that it s the public corruption unit that is handling this. am i reading would that be a standard practice in a case like this? or is there some significance to that potentially? you know, it s hard to ignore that, steve. the does seem like we have to read something into that because ordinarily if there are sex offenses, sex trafficking crimes, that s going to be handled by the southern district new york unit, not the public corruption unit. when you look back at how epstein really escaped responsibility by and large for the crimes he committed when