People for using suggestive emotions. Come in on fills you in on the latest coming up next hour but 1st it is international and in the u. K. And ireland relegating thats next stay with us. And welcome to all things considered. We were told there was no such thing as the deep state now were told also arms control we should all be worried and concerned and why Samantha Power is a hypocrite. Cross talking some real news im joy. And by my guest here in moscow niemeyer he is a political analyst we also have glenn d. s and he is a professor at the Higher School of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of russia and were joined by Dmitry Babich hes a political analyst and editor in the its me internet media project all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated you know over the course of this ridiculous russia gate as we go into ukraine gate the mass media has been telling us if you
Who the person east Europe Mcloughlin he was deputy cia director during the. School he cleaned in 20022003 that iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that was if we believed him institutional commitment to objectivity and. To a higher court. So the point is that this system you know if they had been serving the state you know that he should utilize all that you can if you can to lie in the name of the state but the result was disastrous iraq is not loyal to the United States iraq let the Russian Police do syria iraq is basically ignored not given its oil to the United States but to a lot of Companies Including russia and whats. In syria daughter faye were because they not only didnt change the regime in syria they will show off and theyre like so these deep state besides being very cruel its also very ineffective its against American National media its against american initial interest i want to address this to both of you i think we need to stress a point the glen has brought up he
And if they have a role in order to put a check on the disruption of trump now this is obviously problematic for a lot of reasons one for one statement im just going to let us of this drop there he said you know i want to renegotiate their thing all our economic deals. Nato is perhaps obsolete they want to get rid of the wars so the purpose of this 4th branch of power the deep state would then be to maintain the status quo or Thomas Friedman its like the tyranny of status quo they seem to think ok well then what do we need elected officials for i mean if theyre already in charge theyre going to be making the decisions why do we need to elect officials i mean it seems to me that they know they claim to know better and if we accept them as a 4th branch then were just going to have president s that will mimic their talking points i mean this is a serious moment here well you heard friends we have to say. The naive deep state always in. Power as. They always have been in maine and what thi
Intelligence officers and white house people tripping up to capitol hill right now and saying these are people who are doing their duty you are responding to a higher call. Higher tall claim hes making a reference to people that are unelected. And also telling us that these elected officials they have the right and even obligation maybe even moral obligation to disagree and obstruct elected official the president of the United States and well that has been part of the development of this narrative about the deep state that is 1st of all that has existed and its recognized that yes it does exist but its a good thing because its a good thing it helps well there are good because they help to put a check on trump his success and thats what we believe thats what we have congress for and thats what we have the courts for exactly and thats the thing because this ng and you know this really standing up for the constitution and the American People however the american system over it has a check
Need elected officials for i mean if theyre already in charge theyre going to be making the decisions why do we need to elect officials i mean it seems to me that they know they claim to know better and if we accept them as a 4th branch then were just going to have president s that will mimic their talking points i mean this is a serious moment here well you heard of friends we have to say we cant be naive we had deep state is in all kinds of powers and kingdoms and they always have been mean and mean what this does different is that there is trying to subvert the will of the people ok i think we all know that president s and prime ministers and all the western world they do there is pressure from the Intelligence Community and sometimes thats a good thing but when they think that they know better than elected officials that is a dangerous point certainly and what i always criticized about socalled democracies that claim that democracy is to descant deep state and of course from when y