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Transcripts for MSNBC The ReidOut 20240604 00:11:00

not a news organization. the second point is what you said a moment ago. they have the emotion. one of the things i say in the book, chapter two, liberals, progressives, the left, they kind of handed over the emotional battlefield to the right. progressives, liberals, democrats always want to win an argument with one more statistic, one more fact. just give me time for one more pew poll or peer review paper and i ll change people s minds. that s not how it works. you have to get to them emotionally. you have to win the battle for emotions. you have to some spire people, rouse people, show some passion. that s what democrats need to do to fight against the emotional energy on the right. let me read a little bit from your book. it says here, this is from your book. donald trump is probably unaware that he s an avid practitioner of a debating method known among playoffers at the gish gallop. they bury them in a torrent of incorrect, irrelevant, or

Transcripts for MSNBC The ReidOut 20240604 00:13:00

aggressively. it s such a good point you make about the global angle. trump did inspire a national movement. we have these mini trumps, the kari lakes of the world, following the same tactic, and a global tactic. i used to interview politicians from all over the world, and post 2016, they had the same trumpian ticks about fake news, trying to bury you in nonsense lies. and that is the strategy that trump does. i say in the book, you have to be able to pick your battle. don t try to fight them on every lie. i say don t budge. we have to ask a lot of questions. we can t let someone come on the show and say nonsense and we move on to the next topic. stick around, don t budge, don t move on. and the third point is you have to call this stuff out. i give it the name, the gish gallop. this idea of overwhelming you with nonsense, the steve bannon flood the zone with excrement strategy. we have to call it out, nail it down and say that s what they re

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