see there as flowers continue to be laid. there are notes, there are candles, there s a menorah, there s an american flag. there are so many things that represent the diversity of new york city and, of course, that would imply that there are so many people coming together to mourn this terrible death of these two officers that served new york city. and it s a candlelight vigil, a public vigil and it was an open invitation to all new yorkers to be there. you could imagine and we ve been listening to some of the prayers, to some of the hymns. and even just the silence. very poignant there as you look at the people who are now overflowing into the streets and into the surrounding community. that right there is the exact spot where the police squad car was that the two officers were sitting in when they were according to authorities ambushed by the suspect and shot dead. i want to bring in my panel again, new york city councilman jumaane williams, psychologist jeff gardere joining us now,
peacefully protest. certainly i condemn and know every civil rights person has condemned when people were protesting and some of them said, you know, kill the police or we want that that s absolutely wrong and we can t do that. before we go, i want to make sure we said this, because at times these officers who take the job to make the community better are put in awful situations they shouldn t be put in. they re put in some place and say, you have a quota, get me these arrests. how much pressure is on the officers? a lot of pressure. you have demonstrations and say kill the cops, there s crazy people out there. this guy was mentally there are always almost instigating. he s in despair, this guy. what is he going to do? he hears all this, he has two people he uses them as excuse gil, a lot of emotions with patrick lynch saying what he said, he said that with emotion and i hope he regrets that. the protesters out there saying, kill the cops, that was high emotion.
say there was blood on the mayor s hands was absolutely inappropriate for anyone to make that statement. i agree with that fullfy ful. i think he was definitely the part of the rhetoric that led to this but i don t think there s blood on the hands of the mayor at all. gil, you ve never seen a divide this bad? i haven t. could it be cured? could they get together? yes, i believe they could do that. a public apology is what we ve talked about, what you ve said. that could be a possibility. even pat lynch saying that about blood on his hands, maybe he has to come out and do a public apology on that. you can t blame him for saying that at the time this happened. two of his men were killed. they have to get together. police have to get together with community groups. when i m talking about community groups, those community groups in those locations, in these precincts. those are the people that have to get together. when outsiders come in and try to do that, that s what really hur
it s really hard for me because like you said, there s so much of a problem between the mayor and the police commissioner. yep. so it s really tough. okay. weigh in, gil, because i can tell even by your body language there that you re you know what, we keep going to the mayor and the police department and really he s saying approval about the mayor, these officers know the mayor does not like cops, okay? i don t really care what he says, but that s what they feel. however, they have to get together. our discussion, i think, is getting so far i way from the two officers who were new york city police officers. not only changed their clothes and went and sat in the car. they were doing overtime from a different precinct. let s bring it back to those two officers. i think that s true. that s how they feel. because of the rhetoric there s nothing to say the mayor doesn t support the police officers. it is about the two police officers. let me ask gil to finish that thought
cannot be tolerated. that blood on their hands starts on the steps of city hall, in the office of the mayor. with me now are new york city council member jumaane williams, retired new york detectives harry houck and gil alba, and michael daly, special correspondent for the daily beast. how big is the divide between the mayor and the police force. apparently because of perceptions that is been out there, it s big. the worst ever that you know the question is, tensions between who? when i grew up in new york city under rudy giuliani, the tensions were much higher between segments of the population and the then-mayor, and it was all along kind of the same thing. and it s a conversation, i think, that every time we try to have it, this is what happens. and i think in honor, the police officers who lost their lives, as we re going forward, the