matthew, i agree with you that a lot of folks who say they re supporting donald trump, it s really about exercising their fear about the demographic change in this country and their being moved from the center of everything, politics, culture. to your point, about the republican party base, i want to put up this ipsos/reuters poll that is just shocking. 56% of republicans believe the election was rigged or the results of illegal voting, and this is the one that really is shocking. 53% think donald trump is the actual president. well, i mean i could think there might be people a colony on mars, but that doesn t mean i m going to plant an idea that that colony exists today. it s in an unreal place, jonathan, and i think i m very concerned. i think this is one of the most perilous moments in our
through in america right now. i think he would be shocked by what we see, what is happening today. because it was something like this that he experienced in south africa way back nearly 100 years ago that made him look at alternatives to violence. because he realized that this whole culture of violence, the obsessive need for us to use violence to resolve conflict, is destroying humanity. for him, violence was not simply the physical violence but also a lot of the passive violence. he described it as the iceberg. what we see above water is just a fraction of what is hidden
and over and over again and what is sort of droned on in the whatever channels they are listening to, whatever radio, television, or also politicians they are listening to. and politicians in so many of these districts, republicans, are telling them that donald trump is the rightful president and that the election was stolen from him and that joe biden was illegitimately elected. i mean it really i know it sort of strains credulity, jonathan, but remember after 9/11, a lot of politicians told people that saddam hussein was a part of the 9/11 attacks. and two-thirds of americans at a certain point believe that saddam hussein had engineered those attacks. it s because politicians told them that. those people have a big platform, and in this case people with very big platforms donald trump doesn t have twitter anymore, but he has a lot of other media continually say this, and it s believed.
day. is she being wildly optimistic there? she s popular back home. she stayed popular. trump is already he is targeting her. they are trying to recruit candidates to oppose her. donald trump junior has been out there, matt gaetz has been out there. they just would love to beat liz cheney. i think she will raise a lot of money. i do think this is a battle for the soul of the party. what does the republican party stand for? donald trump or does it stand for conservative values? this is the argument she s going to make. i wouldn t underestimate the name cheney back home in wyoming for her. i do think she s going to have a really tough time. quickly, jennifer, is she going to have a tough time? is she toast? she may have a tough time.