about the president s counsel, the vice president s counsel. they all told him it was un-american. in the words of a prosecutor, illegal. even the nation s top prosecutor, the attorney general bill barr, found no evidence to support a play to stay in office. and tonight we have not one but two former attorneys general here both nominated by republican president. and both are going to give us their take on whether the emperor s wardrobe might be traded for prison garb. the former attorney general merrick garland says he is watching closely. but i wonder what his predecessors would think and what they would do. day three has had a theme, pressure, persistent, unyielding pressure, all targeting vice president mike pence. the browbeating all began behind the scenes. but when that didn t work, the bully pulpit was the new soap box. and pence s failure to succumb to it put him in danger. the vp s chief of staff was so worried the president was putting his life at risk, that he aler
illegal act. the paper trail is pretty incredible on this. so, which may be the reason, frankly, that next day, eastman was advised to get a criminal attorney. and a few days later he was asking rudy giuliani about that pardon list. ultimately the question of possible criminal charges actually does not sit of course in congress but with the department of justice and the attorney general. let s talk about it with not one but two former u.s. attorneys general. gentlemen, welcome. i m so glad that you re both here. i ve been eager to pick both of your brains after these particular hearings. i want to begin with you, general mckay zee on this. i m wondering, as you ve been watching and sitting through and hearing about these hearings, does it strike you that there is a criminality that could be explored at the justice department? criminality by you mean by i mean by donald trump or somebody maybe john eastman,