chemical weapons, nuclear weapon. in these cases possibly. that s the example, glen, that s often used. an imminent attack. it seems to indicate there s no examples of this thwarting an imminent attack and dozens, i think 26 people, were actually innocent. mistaken identities. these techniques were used on those people who were clearly deemed later on to be not guilty of anything, so i want to be able to respond to gary. i think gary and i agree on one thing. the saying, where does a fish rot? from the headfir first. we re the executive actor in the executive branch following the guidance by the political hack by the administration. there were 20 cases i knew about
those? the terrorists want to do america harm. they don t play any rule book so why should america take anything off the table? yeah, well, you don t define yourself by the practices and objectives of the enemy. the enemy is apaling and i dedicated to stopping these people. they re terrible. there s no debate about that. the issue is, who are we and what do we need to be? torture doesn t work. it s illegal to all of our laws. i could cite the whole program with them and it s clear what happens. the statements you just played are disingenuous. you don t talk to the wolf about what s going wrong in the chickchick chicken coop. that s obvious. we have methods to affirm our values. gary bernsten, do you think torture works? does force and coercion work? i believe it does work and i ve seen foreign intelligence services around the world coerce
enormous amount. and the taliban of pakistan has become the pakistani government s biggest problem. but the fact is there are those within the pakistani military, particularly intelligence service, that have longstanding alliances with bin laden and find for regional, strategic reasons that that kind of alliance is worth keeping. he is an ace in the hole for them. gary, i saw you wanted to get in here? yes. i m not sure that they know where bin laden is. pakistanis need to capture and give us omar. that s what they really need to do. you have no doubt that they know where he is? i m certain they could do that. oh, they could do that. they need to do that. we should attach aid to that. i wouldn t give them any more assistance until they capture and turn omar over for us. i was in afghanistan a year ago or even when i was there two years ago and remember having intelligence officials say in off-camera briefings, we know this guy is in the area. there s intercepts. we know this
going that distance with us. and there s been plenty of anectdotal evidence and plenty of officials will say this off the record, that the pakistanis are not helping in the search at all. for omar and much more for osama bin laden and aman zawahiri. it s fascinating. bobby ghosh, robin wright and gary bernsten. the california explosion that left four dead, 50 injured and a neighborhood in ruins. could it have been avoided? we ll talk to a resident of the neighborhood who has a stunning allegation. how governor schwarzenegger has poked fun at sarah palin and how she shot back at him on twitter.
before the break we showed you an in-depth, pretty remarkable look inside the hunt for osama bin laden. what happened, what didn t happen, what went down and what went wrong. now a closer look at the why and what s next. gary bernsten is with us. you saw him in our report before the break, former cia officer and author of the book jaw breaker. he is also a republican candidate for u.s. senate here in new york. also robin wright, senior fellow at the u.s. institute of peace, veteran global correspondent and highly acclaimed author and time magazine editor bobby ghosh, is america islamaphobic? you were there in tora bora. you tried to get support. that support wasn t granted. he got away. why do you think the united states still has not been able to get this guy? of course, if you look on the pakistani side of the border there, there are 28 million poshtoons. they have an honor code.