documents back. he jerked the national archives and records administration around for over a year and lied to them and lied to the justice department and concealed documents and moved them around and it took a year and a half to get a search warrant. any of us would have been searched weeks after weeks after taking those documents, and anybody else would have been indicted long ago. when we saw the evidence in the unsealed search warrant in last august, there was plenty there to charge somebody enough. enough had we been a senior administration official taking that volume of documents to our beach house, we would have been indicted long ago. he s gotten every break they could have possibly given and attorney general garland didn t want to bring this case but he
it s something ted cruz is in hot water for this week as well. you see, we keep learning more and more about how high the plots go nicolle wallace if our conversation that attorney general garland didn t want to overturn this rock only he knows why that is, but you overturn the rock and you find, disturbingly, a lot of people, some of them in government and power, who are in on this. now, that s why this matters as for what reporters gleaned about pence going in today, to be very clear, i ll tell you what we know and what we don t we don t know the questions asked, the nature of this, leaks about investigators in the room. but we do know from reporters on the scene that pence appeared to be inside for testimony from 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. today nbc reporting there was an increased security presence at the courthouse multiple black suvs with tinted windows seen entering the parking garage at 9:00 a.m., an entrance that would allow
methodically to trump. i don t know if that answers the senator s question but that is my reporting as to how it proceeded. i think there is a question a lot of people have asked why garland didn t appoint a special counsel sooner. the answer is garland never wanted to appoint a special counsel. he believes that when donald trump announced his intention to run, and joe biden announced his intention to run, that under the special counsel regulation, he was compelled to do so. but i ve reported and others have reported that garland was very resistant to handing that off to a special counsel. so, well now he has three if you count durham and if you report him saz a half of one after the new york times on that. barr was partisan and political. garland is also political. because the notion that you re going to work your way up to trump and not need i mean, it is like what we need a bigger boat. of course it was going to need a
counsel in the situation. so i don t think he s reviewing it on a fresh slate, garland. he s saying, okay, submit this saying i need to do this. i am generally going to defer to smith unless there s a really extraordinary reason otherwise. so i think we can at least say that garland didn t have any severe objection. all right. so i want to ask you a question that is strictly a hypothetical, and i say that with great care. abc reporting the subpoena, they have not reported the line of questioning, we don t have that. we want to be very clear, we don t know. but we also do know, according to how these probes work, that they are at this point. it is not day one, it is not third inning, however you want to fill it in. what happens, neal, if the special counsel asks a question under oath of mike pence like oh, did donald trump refer to there being a physical storming or malicious involvement in advance of it occurring? and mike pence doesn t want to
time line is maybe a little bit on the unfortunate side. insofar as when the disclosures came, but i think ultimately they have handled this quite well in terms of discovery the documents, immediately turning them over and immediately cooperating which is in sharp contrast to the other document case. and in terms of the appointment of the, you know, special counsel, it was given to somebody else to make a determination, a predication, whether or not this really is something that should have special counsel that really should be subject to investigation and that was the final question on that, i was curious about this because you ve done this work. mr. lausch said he determined it was a enough to merit special counsel and didn t want that job. when you look at that does that mean that he has the clues there was criminal intent, or not, because these cases as we ve told viewers turn a lot on just