jeremy deller, welcome to this cultural life. thank you. you were brought up in dulwich in south london. what are your earliest cultural memories of home? home. well, church, actually. there s culture in church. yeah. there s a human culture, there s people, and then there s music and there s visuals and smells and so on. so, the church, maybe early on as a child, is something i remember. i remember seeing help, the beatles film, very early on. i remember telling my mother i d just discovered these four men who live in the same house as each other, which was very much like the house we lived in. and i was amazed. then she told me, oh, actually, i know those people. that s the beatles and they re not around any more. that was your introduction to the beatles? yeah, and i was very sad. i remember being very sad about it, thinking that they didn t live together properly and it was actually. they weren t around. so help was a big influence on me, and television in general, i t
# to the blind, oh, yeah.# with a lot of disabled people but, like, real disabled people, not people acting disabled. and women in marilyn masks, giving them pills. # one word from her lips and the deaf can hear. i # whoa oh oh, yeah.# and then there s this huge statue of marilyn that s being carried along, and then it falls over and breaks, and there s like a sort of chaos at the end. i mean, it sjust like, what is this? how s anyone allowed to do this? i mean, i was absolutely overjoyed they were, but ijust couldn t believe what i was seeing, that that had come from his imagination. cymbal crashes your next choice for this programme is the painter, francis bacon, famous for his anguished, screaming figures. sometimes they re naked, sometimes they re caged. yeah. why bacon? fu n stuff. well, i mean, if you re thinking about an adolescent and being, you know, a teenager, that s how you feel.