wonder whether you can be objective because you flush out what your friends and family think of him, but there s also this fear. let me show you what michael cohen said over the weekend. how are you feeling? stressed and nervous. there s a swath of the american populous that are so knee deep into the cult of donald trump, the attacks are relentless because that s what he does. he attacks the judge, he attacks the judge s daughter, he attacks witnesses, he attacks anyone and everyone. again, thinking that this is a positive strategy, it doesn t work. i m concerned. and a little apprehensive. you and i both know he s never at a loss for words. and i m sure his family is nervous too michael cohen is in a slightly different position.
von hilliard is outside of the courthouse for us today. with us at the table is susan craig is here. she spent today inside the courthouse. plus senior executive editor at bloomberg opinion tim o brien is here. also joining us former top official at the department of justice and msnbc legal analyst andrew weisman. there s so much happening. i don t know where to start. i m going to go in order. von hilliard, tell me what you re seeing. reporter: yesterday you and i were having that discussion with the crew about the ecosystem we live in. it s not even necessarily just the pressures that could come from a criminal defendant like donald trump. when you re dealing with such national attentions, such community attention on trial like this, with such high political stakes six months out from a general election, there are bound to be individuals who will be juror who is have family friends fellow church members
reporter: we re at 12. my last word here is could we begin this on monday morning? this morning took a little bit different of a turn. we were talking about the scrutiny this these folks are facing. whether it s their old social media posts from eight years or hearing from friends and family who undoubtedly love them but have a view of donald trump. this is the conversation we re going to be having repeatedly here is just the amount of pressure that s going to be on the 16 individuals, these 18 individuals when the potential future president of the united states, potential guiltness is on the line. the stakes are so high. it s going to come down to these 18 individuals. thank you so much for being there and starting us off. everyone else sticks around. stay with us. we re going to bring in the new voice to the conversation to talk to us about how donald trump is ushering in
transcript, and i think most of the press in that room understands that that s off limits as well for the protection of these people, particularly given the environment in which they re living, which is a donald trump who continues to tweet about participants in this proceeding and who will not face a hearing for criminal contempt, at least until this coming tuesday. so given that, i think everybody is trying to exercise some caution here. it was chilling to hear her say i don t think i can participate anymore because of how much information is already out there about me. i have my friends and family texting me asking is this you. that s got to be an uncomfortable and frightening place for any person in this city to be right now. lisa rubin, our eyes and ears. thank you very much for joining us. let me bring into our coverage, isaac arnsdorf, the national political reporter for the washington post. he was the pool reporter today inside the courtroom, tell us what that was like. i
they actually killed their own members when the members tried to leave the organization because if you left the organization, there was at least a risk that you might cooperate with the authorities and flip against the organization. when i think about the fact that in my experience as a career prosecutor, there were only two trials that required anonymous juries, and those were the kinds of people we were prosecuting, and now we have a need for an anonymous jury when we re prosecuting a former president of the united states. let me ask you two things about that, glenn, we also have a call and response pattern on the record when it comes to donald trump. to the proud boys, stand back and stand by. to mike pence who had run for his own safety and that of his own family after that fact, facts certainly known by secret service protecting both donald trump and mike pence. trump tweets out another threat endangering his life further. i mean, we know that there isn t