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Transcripts For CSPAN3 Oral Histories 20150407

Guys would have loved to be drugged and taken below the border. That was the ilk of this plan he envisioned that included everything from using prostitutes to gather information to wiretapping. It was a whole illegal plan. I did not think mitchell would give it a second look. Liddy did revise it down to, i think, a quarter of a million dollars. It was a half a million the next time. I went back and i was not planning to attend any more meetings. I have now realized that i went to haldeman. I was able to document from haldemans calendar years after the fact and long after this was available i went to haldeman twice on this, once after the first meeting and said it was absurd and went to him the second meeting and said this thing has to be cut off. I only testified to going to him the second time because that was the only one clear in my mind. Haldeman knew i had been in there twice to talk about this plan. I was invited back by mcgruder the second time, went up the elevator. Have been b

Transcripts For CSPAN3 Oral Histories 20150407

All they know is what we have done. This is almost an exact quote. Not why weve done it but what our motives were. I dont tell them that. The secretary of state or the secretary of defense. We go back to what i was talking about compartmentation earlier. They have no they may object to and it may even like. In fact one of the first suspicions is that laird had leaked yes. This was a long concern. Yes. So thats why they didnt give him that kind of information. In other words so long as i didnt know much as far as nixon knew about his policy, nixon had no reason to fear me. Im with rand. Kissinger knew more than he let on. As far as i can tell from the record kissinger never did for the tapes, kissinger never did reveal to nixon that i had worked for him on the options paper or at all for the pierre or the the indication of that is, he talks about my dealing with him in the late 60s and then again a meeting he had with me in 71 he tells, at a conference where i confronted him, an m. I. T

Transcripts For CSPAN3 Oral Histories 20150407

Justice department they called my office and said cant you do something about this guy up here . And, yes, i was able to call in the attorney general and deal with him that sort of thing. But were not were just aware because for time reasons, i often had to follow Major Supreme Court decisions to see and i knew when they were going to come down and get the slip opinion because nixon would need particularly as a lawyer, would want to be able to respond even before the department of justice could crank the papers around and get a summary of it out. We would have to have it, boom, get an opinion from the court and have somebody to Say Something about the opinion so we followed cases before the court. But as far as getting into the areas like the plumbers, we were excluded totally from that operation. And for good reason. And ill explain that. After the pentagon papers leaked, as you know from the record there was a major thrust by nixon to deal with ellsberg and make a political as well a

Transcripts For CSPAN3 Oral Histories 20150407

Matters were collectively. Bud said i agree totally. I said i dont want to cause a lot of grief for everybody but the president is not being well advised and these activities he said i believe my instruction came directly out of the oval office. Bud later did not support that memory that i so vividly remember when he gave it at the moment. Whether he was doing that to bolster my drive to get in there and get the president to get his feet on the ground or whether it was an actual fact, i dont know. Maybe he doesnt remember to this day. As you piece together after the fact, the trials that occurred when ehrlichman was convicted for that, ehrlichman would later claim that he had a conversation, ironically, on the beach outside of the taping devices in san clemente with the president about a lot of activities of that nature. Who knows . I dont know. I have found in my own historical inquiry from time to time into issues when i have used the tapes that nixon had a very steady practice of se

Transcripts For CSPAN3 Oral Histories 20150407

Stepmotherinlaw. And they had approved or not approved. And apparently, the story is the tapes or rather the records show hoover disapproved the interview of m achl rx on the grounds that he was a friend in the fbi and brennan apparently misread this mark and did assign someone to interview marx, which didnt happen. Now, lewis marx would have been more than happy not just for the interview but to he was a nixon republican and he thought i should be in prison and he told my wife and patricia said, i dont want you to hear that. Hes my husband and so forth. Lewis marx never would see me again after the pentagon papers came out and his son, his oldest son has never seen me again for 37 years now and the father is dead now. So he would have been happy to when hoover learned that brennan had scheduled an interview against his he was furious and wanted to reassign brennan to siberia somewhere. And he had to be prevailed on that this would not be good, brennan was a very good guy and they coul

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