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within his own terms. the anxiety that i think everyone has is that he s now completely detached from reality and surrounded by people who won t tell him the truth and this incredible miscalculation, leave aside the wickedness of it, the miscalculation, the enormous, how he ever could thought anyone who knows ukraine, we both know ukraine, anyone who knows it knows there was never any question of ukrainians agree be to be subjugated to russia in this way. i think that s the worry, the trajectory has been aware of the reforming west-oriented leader to allow russia to become part of the west. people used to talk in the old days, i m talking those times when i was there and people were even talking about could russia become a member of the european union. that s right. his there a way russia could become accommodated in the history of the structures of nato? and this myth that perpetrates
but the key allegiance thing, that s a whole longer play. the key is get the dispute between the uk and european union resolved. it s very, very damaging. it really arises out of the fact the uk entered into an agreement back in october 2019 that it doesn t really want to keep to and unsurprisingly the europeans are saying you do have to keep to it. i think there is a way through. there is a way through the technical and practical problems how you organize trade between britain, the island of britain and northern island, but it s going to require the prime minister, boris johnson, will have to work out what he thinks is a sensible final negotiating position and then he s going to have to go and sell it and persuade the european leaders. this isn t going to get sold by the system, not by the commission system, not by the uk system. the only way you resolve something like this in my experience dealing with europe is elevate it to the leaders
so this paranoia or paranoid anxiety about the tension being aimed at russia has always been wrong or misplaced. but now, what s being said as this unprovoked aggression against ukraine, it s unsurprising countries like finland and sweden now wants the protection nato gives. i was a strong advocate for countries like poland and czech republic coming in both to the ur european union and nato after the fall of the berlin wall. and a few of the countries today must be pleased they did that. at some point we ll have to work out what the right security structure is and how we deal with russia on a long-term basis. at some point we ll have to do that. what s the right architecture? what are the right guardrails to have in place? with the sold soviet union, there were graduated responses, even though there was hostility,
level and get it settled there. one more example of the damage in britain brexit caused. it was inevitable we would have this moment. the moment you take the uk out of the center of europe, where we ve been for four decades, then the hard external border of the european union is between the north of ireland and south of ireland. so it was always going to be a problem and we just, look, it s happened, brexit. i disagreed with it. we have to make the best of it. we need to solve this because otherwise we will put the union of the united kingdom at risk. tony blair, always a pleasure. thank you. next on gps, putin s war in ukraine is not the only crisis facing the world. i will talk about covid, the economy and much more with a terrific panel when we come back.