$50,000 a year and your debt as a family is 40,000 a year, it s bad, but it s a lot of families carry that and now what, it s not a lot of people do. that s the response. megyn: and the budget claims from the democrats do that over a period of time. no, they don t. they never balance. and which plan are you referring to. if the economy were growing at 5%, 6%, as it has in the past. you can t have government spending at 25%. megyn: hold on. you re going to see the debt and deficit dwindle massively. let s talk about the contest in which dr. carson were speaking, if were talking about the debt and the policy prescriptions of the democrats and the obama administration then he needs to present a counter argument. he needs to present a vision for america that goes against that and he s fnot doing that, he s condemning and criticizing the president s motives, and by insinuation. that s absolutely not true.