after them in russia would havet to go after them in belarus. you have to bedown willing to st down any airplanes that flyai over the the air in ukraine. so i just i don t think that a lot of people fully understand no fly zones are not some faa rule that s put out there. they have to be enforced. you have to actually go outho and be willing to shoot people down. and in the case of russia, you re going to have to knock r out surface to air missiles isis not syria. this is not iraq. e these guys have real surface toi air missiles. and i just think before we gos to world war three, which is what that would be, we have to be prepared too and we have to be prepared to understand clearly what we re talking about doing here. all he right, senator , this is b very fluid all around the world. thank you for being with us,i senator marco rubio.wi now, i almost nevert agree. i don t even like late night liberal host bill maher but asked on friday he asked a really good question. take a listen. yo
ukraine, do you think there s a european country in nato or the united states politician that is going to be able to withstand the pressure from the public, not only in america but also in europe to actually go in and move in into ukraine. excuse me, into ukraine. because i can tell you right now, you look at the polls, they ve swifted wildly in favor of no fly zones, in favor of the united states doing more. katty talks about the visceral reaction in europe, a nuclear weapon set off on a european continent. i m saying, that or chemical weapons will not be acceptable to the american people or to europeans to just sit back and go, oh, well, now they re using weapons of mass destruction in ukraine. we ll just sit back and let this continue. well, wars are not managed by
fly zones but also about what this administration is going to get a peace deal. to end the car and not just escalate it further. no. you bring up an excellent point. i have been looking at the sheer devastation in mariupol and kharkiv. i was wondering if the u.s. and the west s objectives at this stage should be about saving ukraine and ukrainian lives or whether it s about defeating russia. i can tell you when you are on the ground, those losing loved ones and suffering, they usually want the fighting to stop before they think about larger geopolitical ramifications. with every weapon we send to ukraine and questions like we just heard there, we re, it seems to me, more focussed on defeating russia at this stage. but we also need to know what the u.s. and the west, as you were saying, will accept as a peace agreement. because russia will undoubtedly want any and all of those sanctions lifted off of it. that s not something ukraine has the power to do. yeah. it will be have to be
the nato level. the first thing if it s going to be a nato no fly zone, as you well know, you ve got to have consensus among the 30 nations and we re far from there that the part that takes this off the table for us is a diplomatic tool is that there s no consensus. there s just outright statements saying it s not in our best interests. secretary general stoltenberg said that he worries about the safety of the other nato countries should one be implemented. the technical side of the no fly zone is not nearly as daunting there. there are certain lines that russia has gone clearly across. they are attacking civilians and killing civilians and we have erected no fly zones in many parts of the world, including europe in the balkans for far less. but we re very concerned that this is russia. i understand that there are risks involved. there s risks involved with letting this war just continue to rage. right. and brigadier general, presumably nato air power would
what the white house and what the pentagon is thinking when you start talking about delivering just to the ukrainian air force. i know it frustrates a lot of people, but that is an escalation that we have to be very careful about because it s similar to the idea of let s establish no fly zones, even humanitarian no fly zones. once you get in a chaotic battle space like that , once you get migs and you know, opposition aircraft, whether it s it s poland s migs, whether it s our aircraft up in those skies, the potential for a direct conflict between the u.s. and russia exponentially increases and russia has a doctrine that allows in their minds the use of tactical nuclear weapons as a measure you as a half measure. in a sense it s not a last step. so we have to be aware of that . and so that explains the caution on the us side. yeah, and you talk about a no fly zone even if ukraine had