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Then youre really dealing in a vacuum. This is what happened with the proposed dishwasher rule. These are technical matters. Its very important that not only manufacturers republican gauged early but all stake holders. This asrac process does do that. But the asrac process is useful once a decision has been made that will will be a new standard. What were talking about is a change in the process for determining whether there should be a new standard. If there is going to be one, consensus is always the best. We feel we will do better as the advocates feel given a give and take putting data on the table and not wondering where the data came from. Before we go any further i really want you guys to get the dishwasher rule right. Im the dishwasher at my house and if the dish washers dont clean ive got a real problem. Its going to be double work for me. Mr. Cosgrove, go ahead. I certainly agree with what my colleague says. I think what ive heard is listening to this conversation is at least

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