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real sense of how nuanced and thoughtful and intelligent he is as a leader. and fintan o toole, i was struck by his comparison to germany post-world war ii. and germany s clear admission of guilt. and changing its direction in a way that the world could be confident that it was no longer nazi germany. that is rare. that s a rare outcome at the end of conflicts, that one side says, we were wrong. it seems like an outcome we can hope for but not very soon in russia. i think, lawrence, that that is true. americans know this too. when people buy into lies and when they buy into absurdity, when they buy into all the things that zelenskyy so brilliantly articulated in this examination of stupidity, that
what we are seeing now is not unique but it is tremendously dangerous. and fintan o toole, in your latest piece for the irish times, you looked at this threat to democracy, which this war is. vladimir putin trying to crush his neighboring democracy and you made the point that this is a phenomenon we are seeing around the world. that this challenge, this challenge to democracy is not just there. and you have isolated a cause that is new to me and very compelling, when you say that the molten core of this crisis of democracy is that capitalism itself has gone federal. capitalism has evolved to be at least as compatible with oligarchy and autocracy as it is with democracy. and that takes me back to the days when the walls were cracking.
leading off our discussion tonight is jelani cobb, staff writer for the new yorker and professor of journalism at columbia university, and a political contributor. and fintan o toole, columnist for the irish times in a new york review of books. he is the author of, we don t know ourselves, a personal history of modern ireland. professor cobbe cobb let me begin with you. and what we learned about the man, zelenskyy, as he is approaching this greatest challenge of his life for the lives of any president. i think you are right in saying that it is quite an astounding interview. we have seen him speak passionately and compellingly and articulate the cause of the ukrainian people in many formats and forms. but to hear him or to read him in this format, it gives you a
capitalism we saw in the 19th century. they have not decided to give it a facelift and make it appear to be more egalitarian than it is. so i think it s a very clear that what we are seeing in russia s should not really be surprising to us. professor jelani cobb and fintan o toole, thank you very much for starting off our discussion tonight. thank you. thank you. coming up, we will have more on the situation in ukraine later in the hour, and a live report from ukraine. and next, ian mackey will join us after we show you the breathtaking speech he delivered in the missouri house of representatives this week. it is one of the most powerful and moving statements i have ever heard in the legislative chamber anywhere. it will be my honor to introduce you to representative ian mackey next. ian mackey next. you need? oh, like how i customized this scarf?